We are Atheists, Agnostics, wishful thinking or deluded Theists....unless God reveals Himself. Of course Christians believe Jesus Christ does exactly that.
Vanderhoven7
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PIMA sitting on the fence
by PimoElder intechnically, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god, while an agnostic is someone who doesn't believe it's possible to know for sure that a god exists..
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New Game: Spot Those Logic Fallacies! - "theory of evolution is 'much further from being proved than men are from flying to the moon.'"
by cognisonance ini read on here someone paraphrasing from evolution versus the new world the quote in this post's title where a scientist is quoted as saying the theory of evolution is "much further from being proved than men are from flying to the moon.
for those interested in the quoted scientist actual words, you can read them at google books.
of course the author, a chemist, is refering to the theory of evolution by natural selection, something he refers to as "percise theory," as opposed to "vague thoery," the latter he is describing the easy-to-see evidence that evolution has happened.
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Vanderhoven7
I'm surprised as well. Cofty must have been asleep.
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My story
by PimoElder inhi everyone i’m a pimo elder ex bethelite and pioneer who has been having doubts for many years.
as of late i’ve come to have even more doubts mainly due to the gb pushing the vaccines and acting like salesman for big pharma companies .
i will never take these vaccines even if it meant i couldn’t go to the hall as was previously said but the gb have done a big u turn on this now.
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Vanderhoven7
The fact is that every doctrine which is both original and unique to Jehovah's Witnesses is not in the Bible, i.e., extra-biblical. That includes their two-tier soteriology, their eschatological mythology; their gospel and their unrelatable angelic Jesus.
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How far do we get away from 1914
by PimoElder inhow far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.
they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .
with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.
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Vanderhoven7
I have a quote attributed to Nathan Knorr. I'm asking the Ex-JW U-tuber "Wally" to document it for me.
"There are some things I know. I know that Jehovah is God, that Christ is His Son, that he gave his life as a ransom for us, that there is a resurrection. Other things I'm not so certain about. 1914 - I don't know. We have talked about 1914 for a long time. We might be right and I hope we are.
Just found it.
"In 1975, Knorr made a remarkable and candid statement to the Governing Body, which confirmed his growing disillusionment until his death two years later: ["]'"There are some things I know --- I know that Jehovah is God, that Christ Jesus is his Son, that he gave his life as a ransom for us, that there is a resurrection. OTHER THINGS I'M NOT SO CERTAIN ABOUT. 1914 --- I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT 1914 FOR A LONG TIME. WE MAY BE RIGHT AND I HOPE WE ARE."'["] Was this comment directed at his "oracle," Fred Franz, after the disappointing failure of the 1975 prophecy? And yet, not knowing if the date of 1914 was correct or not, Knorr went along with the absolutes taught by the Watch Tower Society about 1914 and everything else: that all their teachings are firmly "based on scripture," "in truth," and agreeing to the disfellowshipping of anyone who questions 1914, or any other constantly changing belief. [Mouthy and how many others?]
"Those whose beliefs were grounded in Scripture, who protected their faith with God's Word, including the words of Jesus, who resisted dogma change by Franz's whims, were condemned as "apostates," "evil servants," and a host of other derogatory adjectives. In doing so Franz and Knorr were faithfully following another practice of J.F. Rutherford." --- THE FOUR PRESIDENTS OF THE WATCH TOWER SOCIETY (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES), Edmond C. Gruss, Editor, p. 39.
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My story
by PimoElder inhi everyone i’m a pimo elder ex bethelite and pioneer who has been having doubts for many years.
as of late i’ve come to have even more doubts mainly due to the gb pushing the vaccines and acting like salesman for big pharma companies .
i will never take these vaccines even if it meant i couldn’t go to the hall as was previously said but the gb have done a big u turn on this now.
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Vanderhoven7
Welcome to the forum PimoElder!
Thank you for sharing a little of your story with us.
Have you ever thought of leaving the Witnesses or would the cost be too great to even consider?
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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!
by Vanderhoven7 indo you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?
let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.
- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
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Vanderhoven7
@RULES
"It’s fascinating to see how JWs perform mental gymnastics right here in front of us and think it’s truth!
The fact is that women are treated shabbily in JWism and yet many JW women argue they’re not, such is their devotion to their emotional investment in JWorg.
The fact is that JWs are not free to disagree with ANYTHING JWorg teaches even though they claim they are. This can be easily verified by asking any JW to provide details of anything JWorg has taught incorrectly… they just can’t do it!
Samuel Herd spoke on women small brains and JWs here either try to argue that his words weren’t in context, weren’t really Samuel Herd or maybe were recounted later…. even though no evidence at all exists. It’s only slightly not as bad as Anthony Morris claiming gay men designed hot pants to fulfill their sexual desires! (need a link?)
Frankly, JWs live in this delusional world that makes them believe white is black, bible words don’t mean what they say, you can’t read the bible without JWorg, women are honoured and treated well, shunning is loving, JWism is the only way, God’s name is Jehovah, etc." David Chord
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TIME MAGAZINE -Cult article - singles out Judge Rutherford
by Terry inhttps://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,738983,00.html.
big, blue-eyed judge joseph frederick rutherford, 60, lives in a ten-room spanish mansion, no.
4440 braeburn road.
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Vanderhoven7
Time Magazine was on the ball. Great find Terry!
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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!
by Vanderhoven7 indo you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?
let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.
- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
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Will the Sodomites be resurrected?
Yes….Watchtower July/1879 p.8
No…..Watchtower June1, 1952 p.338
Yes….Watchtower August 1, 1965 p.479
No…..Watchtower June 1, 1988 p. 31
Yes.....Live Forever (first edition) p. 179
No......Live Forever (later editions) p. 179
Yes….Insight Vol. 2, p. 985
No…..Revelation, p. 273
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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!
by Vanderhoven7 indo you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?
let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.
- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
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Vanderhoven7
I second Radar's request
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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!
by pistolpete inthere are actually tons of these experiences.
i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.
all my freakn dreams came true.
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Vanderhoven7
Here is a good one from Bridget from AZ