Yes, I was aware that Russell borrowed from Barbour and heralded Christ's 1874 presence till his death in 1916. And I am sure he believed in the chronology he taught. Unlike most, I think he had a relationship with both Father and Son...but I also believe that he, like Harold Camping, died a broken man in his attempts to prove Jesus was mistaken when he said no man knows the timing of the parousia. Sad really.
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JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24
by raymond frantz inbox on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".
jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.
jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.
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JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24
by raymond frantz inbox on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".
jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.
jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Disillusioned JW,
Brandon Harper is simply a contributor on another forum. I thought his take was interesting but not necessarily in keeping with my perspective.
I checked out the Bible Student site you used in your response. It seems to me that they are still promoting Russell and things he promoted i.e. 1874 for the second advent as well as his 6 volume Studies in The Scriptures series, pyramidology etc.
How does this fit in with your thinking?
Personally, I believe Jesus set up His kingdom post ascension in AD 33, that the second Advent is still future and that 1874 and 1914 are irrelevant to the gospel and salvation. By the way, next week is ascension week and I am preaching on the significance of the ascension this Sunday.
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New Religion
by crios ini need a new religion.
it can't be trinidadian and it must be a christian church.
it's been a while since i've been to the hall (and i'm not interested in returning either) and i need a new religion.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Crios
Try this Bible Student Assembly
No Trinity, no shunning, no immortal soul. Lots of grace, community involvement, Bible study and evangelical outreach.
James Penton appreciates this congregation.
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New Religion
by crios ini need a new religion.
it can't be trinidadian and it must be a christian church.
it's been a while since i've been to the hall (and i'm not interested in returning either) and i need a new religion.
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Vanderhoven7
Let me suggest that you don't need a new religion. You don't need any religion. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life!" Christianity is a grace relationship with a person. He who has the Son has life. I John 5:10-13
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JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24
by raymond frantz inbox on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".
jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.
jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.
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Vanderhoven7
Brandon Harper answers the question
How do Jehovah's Witnesses members know the Governing Body has not become the 'evil slave'?
Never once, in the entire history of Jehovah’s Witnesses or the International Bible Students Association, has there ever been any period during which they legitimately represented any deity’s interests on Earth. The Governing Body cannot possibly have become ‘the evil slave’ simply because that implies it ever worked in any capacity other than in the interests of evil.
From the very first issue of Zion’s Watch Tower, the publications from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. and then from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. have contained abundant evidence that the authors have not been willing to “wait on Jehovah” but have instead run ahead, haughtily offering as “the truth” and as “unmistakable testimony” from the Scriptures what were, in fact, 100% fallible and incorrect false hopes.
The publications criticize other religions for doing this same thing, citing Genesis 40:8 as the reason why these religions get their prophetic predictions so wrong. The Governing Body claims they are examining the signs and seeking to determine in what ways prophecies are going to be fulfilled: that is divination.
There is only evil from that organization and from its leadership. Anyone who remains associated to it will be supporting those who bind up heavy loads upon others (“wait on Jehovah”) that they themselves are haughtily and hypocritically unwilling to budge even with their little fingers.
The fruit of false prophets is predictions that do not come true. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22; Matthew 7:15-20) When Jehovah’s Witnesses actively ignore the mountainous history of their religion’s false predictions from false prophets, or pretend that such predictions are not example of prophecies from divination rather than interpretations received from Jehovah, they demonstrate plainly that they trust the Governing Body more than they trust the Bible. (Ezekiel 13)
They are an evil organization still actively bearing the poisonous fruit of false prophets into the world.
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Verifying The Claim The IBSA ,not JW ,were approved by Jehovah God / Christ Jesus as God`s Chosen People in 1919 ??
by smiddy3 inhow do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?.
what is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?.
i`m interested in what you have to say about this ..
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Vanderhoven7
How do they know any of the invisible events of 1874, 1881, 1914, 1918, 1919 1922- 1926 took place. Because that is what Watchtower told them.
For starters, there are no dates in the Bible.
Everything is established by eisegesis alone. The first resurrection began in the spring of 1918 and Christ rejected all of Christendom in the fall of 1918, and chose the directors of the WBTS at Brooklyn headquarters in 1919, is all extra-biblical, i.e., WTS mythology forming the basis for WT authority.
You can make the Bible say anything you want to if you can add your own church history onto the scriptures and call it Bible-based.
The most humorous example of this kind of interpretive abuse is found in the sounding of the trumpets in Revelation 8-11. When the first trumpet sounded, a third of earth's trees and grass burn up Rev.8:1-7 because Rutherford gave a talk at a convention in Ohio in 1922.
The Book of Revelation is all about them because they so.
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Watchtower LOSES copyright court case - humiliated!
by BoogerMan inthe org has been exposed for abusing dmca laws to hunt down and punish anonymous faders/jw's.. https://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2022/05/watch-tower-drops-its-effort-to-identify-a-dissident-blogger-based-on-spurious-copyright-claims.html.
if you talk to a jw, tell them how wisely the "faithful slave is looking after the masters belongings.
" (matt.
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Vanderhoven7
Here is a sample of Kevin's creativity
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Hello Everyone
by JohnPaul inhi everyone i would like to say hello to everyone,.
i just started attending kingdom hall about a month ago now and am doing bible study with a brother..
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Vanderhoven7
Welcome to the Forum JohnPaul, (II)
He was an interesting Pope by the way.
Here is a short video which I think fairly sums up what life is like for Jehovah's Witnesses.
Worth a watch in my books.
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How To Talk About Interpretation With Jehovah's Witnesses.
by Vanderhoven7 inthis from my book: good news for jehovah's witnesses.
before we discuss any doctrinal issues, i would like to distinguish between what i believe is proper versus improper interpretive practice.... so you know what i can accept as biblical and what i can't accept.. basic guidelines for validating doctrinal claims`).
i. there must be at least one scriptural reference that can be cited for support of any doctrinal claim or position.. ii.
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Vanderhoven7
The article is excellent. Thanks for sharing it Riblah
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How To Talk About Interpretation With Jehovah's Witnesses.
by Vanderhoven7 inthis from my book: good news for jehovah's witnesses.
before we discuss any doctrinal issues, i would like to distinguish between what i believe is proper versus improper interpretive practice.... so you know what i can accept as biblical and what i can't accept.. basic guidelines for validating doctrinal claims`).
i. there must be at least one scriptural reference that can be cited for support of any doctrinal claim or position.. ii.
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Vanderhoven7
Thanks for your encouragement Blondie. From there in, "Good News... " I go to the the invisible eschatological foundations for the Watchtower authority... and ask them how they know that the apostle Peter was raised in the spring of 1918, Christendom's churches were rejected in the fall of 1918 and Jesus chose Bible Student leaders in Brooklyn New York, who knew nothing about their appointment, to be his Faithful Slave in 1919?
In person, I have never got passed the trumpet debacle, but on forums I have been readily able to get to the extra-biblical foundations of Watchtower authority. There are always JWs who actually think their religion is biblical.