Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Are JWs preaching Paul's Gospel or something beyond Paul's Gospel?

by Vanderhoven7 in

paul's gospel: .

now, brothers and sisters, i want to remind you of the gospel i preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.

2 by this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word i preached to you.

Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

I see you don't want to answer my question about what is necessary to be believed to be saved. Why do you think that is? Could it be that in your heart of hearts you know that the following beliefs are absolutely not part of the gospel of salvation Paul preached?

To be saved, must one believe;

f. Jesus invisible second presence began in October 1914?

g. Jesus raised the sleeping saints in the spring of 1918?

h. Jesus rejected all the churches of Christendom in the fall of 1918?

i. Jesus appointed the Faithful Slave in Brooklyn NewYork in 1919?

j. Joseph Rutherford was one of the appointees?

Why not just answer the question without any unrelated smokescreen scripture texts?

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Are JWs preaching Paul's Gospel or something beyond Paul's Gospel?

by Vanderhoven7 in

paul's gospel: .

now, brothers and sisters, i want to remind you of the gospel i preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.

2 by this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word i preached to you.

Vanderhoven7

Paul's Gospel:

Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures I Cor. 15: 1-4

To the Galatians he writes

“I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ’s undeserved kindness to another sort of good news. 7 Not that there is another good news; but there are certain ones who are causing you trouble and wanting to distort the good news about the Christ. 8 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, I now say again, Whoever is declaring to you as good news something beyond what you accepted, let him be accursed.” Galatians1:6-9 NWT On-line Bible

Are Witnesses preaching something beyond what Paul preached?

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Godbeliever,

Regarding my last post: JWs must conclude that to be baptized as a Witness and subsequently saved one must believe:

f. Jesus invisible second presence began in October 1914

g. Jesus raised the sleeping saints in the spring of 1918

h. Jesus rejected all the churches of Christendom in the fall of 1918

i. Jesus appointed the Faithful Slave in Brooklyn NewYork in 1919.

j. Joseph Rutherford was one of the appointees.

Now I'm looking forward to your answer to my last post. But while I am waiting your reply, I want to share with you what the Jehovah's Witnesses gospel has to say is essential to salvation and surviving Armageddon and ask you for your thoughts.

"Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation." WT 11-15-81 p.21

"To receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise, we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." WT 2-15-83 p.12

"Bible students...must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation." Our Kingdom Ministry, Nov, 1990

Those who do good things for Jesus' "brothers" because these anointed ones are his followers have the hope of surviving "the day of Jehovah."
(Watchtower, September 15, 1997 p. 17)

"Yes! genuine Christians are now being gathered into a united brotherhood earth wide. Who are they? They are the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses..." (Watchtower, July 1, 1994 p. 7)

"The Scriptures strongly support the conclusion that at Armageddon Jehovah will destroy the peoples of the earth, saving only those who obey his commandments to stand by his organization." (Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, 1993, p. 170)

"We will be impelled to serve Jehovah loyally with his organization if we remember that there is nowhere else to go for life eternal."
(Watchtower, November 15, 1992 p. 21 - "Serve Jehovah Loyally"

"Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the "one flock" Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established." (Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1990 p. 1)

"You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of eternal life." (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p.255)

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." (Watchtower, September 1, 1989 p. 19)

"In this way only lovers of God and of his family, his organization, will survive and enter into the cleansed earth that is to be transformed into a glorious Paradise." (Watchtower, December 15, 1982 p. 27 - Clothing Ourselves With Love and Wearing It)

"Know that all living at Armageddon will be baptized, either with fire for destruction with the wicked or with salvation for life with the theocratic organization." (Watchtower, June 1, 1952 p. 350)

It seems that, according to the Watchtower gospel, you will be destroyed at Armageddon. Are you nervous?

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Godbeliever,

Seems to me that you have started a new religion.

Yes the disciples had mistaken views but what they didn't do was write them down as required beliefs and disfellowship Christians who did not agree with their dates.

Let's look for a moment at beliefs that you consider necessary for salvation/Justification. We are looking at absolutely necessary beliefs only.

You can't be saved if you don't believe:

a. There is one God who is Almighty

b. Jesus is this one God's unique Son

c. Jesus became man, and lived a sinless life.

d. Jesus died for our (mankind's) sins.

e. Jesus rose from the dead for our justification.

f. Jesus invisible second presence began in October 1914

g. Jesus raised the sleeping saints in the spring of 1918

h. Jesus rejected all the churches of Christendom in the fall of 1918

i. Jesus appointed the Faithful Slave in Brooklyn NewYork in 1919.

j. Joseph Rutherford was one of the appointees.

My take is that a - e are essential to salvation. The rest are not.

What is your take?

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

@Godbeliever,

This just posted by Bridget from Az

How the Faithful Slave denigrates the Bible?

https://youtu.be/8Oc09wwsvJc

Apparently reading the Bible without The Faithful Slave's input is not life-giving.

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

Hi BoogerMan,

Christianity became tribal, creating disdain, resentment, & even hatred among Christians worldwide. Prime example, Ireland. Every "tribe" claims to have the truth.

Yes, that's true of Watchtower religion as well. However, let's not paint all churches with one condemnatory brush. Many churches in the world do not claim special and unique status.; They preach Jesus as Lord and Savior. They don't advertise, "Come to a victorious organization for salvation."

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Godbeliever,

What can I say is that everything is about power and control of the state. Who dare to challenge that gets punished.

Looking at the Watchtower now:

Everything is about power and control of the organization run by the evil slave who has written himself into the salvation formula, that denigrates the Bible, elevating himself above scripture, destroying families over extra-biblical commands of men and preaches an unrelatable Jesus and preaches a non-salvivic gospel turning many of their adherents into theocratic deceivers. And whoever challenges this evil slave gets punished.

If you are confident with your standing what does it matter that much. If people are honest God can save them just by reading the bible but only with His help.

The gospel is not all about me and my security in Christ. Christians should be earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints .... which has nothing to do with the Watchtower Society or it's evil leadership.

Let's recap

a. false unrelatable Christ

b. false non-salvific gospel

c. false unbiblical religion that denigrates the Bible.

d. false and evil authority

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

@Nicolaou

Yes, thanks for the spelling correction.

Peace

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Joel Osteen

by jhine in

i am reading a lot on quora digest about this chap joel osteen.

i and other brits have said that he is hardly known in the uk .

it has been asserted that he is filling stadiums over here.

Vanderhoven7

He seems like a Christian motivational speaker. I can listen to him and enjoy his messages for about 5 minutes.

Pastor Joseph Prince, a buddy of his, is a much better and more learned grace preacher.