Obey the Faithful and Discreet Slave as you would the voice of God. -Watchtower, June 15, 1957
To have Jehovah's approval, we need to obey the faithful and discreet slave. -Watchtower (Simplified) Study Edition, July 15, 2011, page 27
Vanderhoven7
JoinedPosts by Vanderhoven7
-
41
Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.
remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.
a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
-
23
Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
-
-
Vanderhoven7
Just picked this up from the Org.
Re: Ransom
Jesus’ sacrifice is the means by which God delivers, or saves, humankind from sin and death. The Bible refers to the shed blood of Jesus as a ransom price. Thus, Jesus said that he came “to give his life a ransom for many.”—King James Version.
Why was “a ransom for many” needed?
The first man, Adam, was created perfect, or without sin. He had the prospect of living forever but lost it by choosing to disobey God. When he had children, he passed on to them the defect of sin. For this reason, the Bible indicates that Adam “sold” himself and his children into slavery to sin and death. Being imperfect, none of them could buy back what Adam lost..
God felt compassion for Adam’s descendants in their hopeless situation. However, God’s standard of justice required that he not simply overlook or excuse their sins without a valid basis. God loves mankind, so he provided the necessary legal means for their sins to be not only forgiven but also eliminated. The ransom is that legal basis.
How does the ransom work?
In the Bible, the term “ransom” involves the following three elements:
It is a payment.
It brings about a release, or redemption.
It corresponds to the value of what is paid for, or covers it.
Consider how these elements apply to the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Payment. The Bible says that Christians were “bought with a price.” That price is the blood of Jesus, with which he “bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.”
Release. Jesus’ sacrifice provides a “release by ransom” from sin.
Correspondence. Jesus’ sacrifice corresponds exactly to what Adam lost—one perfect human life. The Bible says: “Just as through the disobedience of the one man [Adam] many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person [Jesus Christ] many will be made righteous.” This explains how the death of one man can pay the ransom for many sinners. In fact, Jesus’ sacrifice is “a corresponding ransom for all” those who take the steps necessary to benefit from it."
So it seems, according to the WTS that Jesus paid the ransom for all mankind so they could be raised at the resurrection, but I don't see who He paid the ransom to.
-
23
Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
-
-
Vanderhoven7
@Seabreeze
"WT would say that Jesus paid a debt for Adam.... not you or me. For the average JW, the WT would say that you now get to work for your salvation by doing good and adhering to all the rules of the WT. Pretty much the same as the Catholic Church."
So are you saying that JWs believe the ransom does nothing for them and only for Adam? Yet they believe Adam is already eternally destroyed in their books- no?
So what do Witnesses believe Jesus' death accomplishes for them if their own death pays for their personal sins?
Any ideas?
-
41
Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.
remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.
a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
· 'The Golden Age' January 18th, 1933 page 252
· "If the message the Jehovah's Witnesses are bringing to the people is true, then it is of greatest importance to mankind. If it is false, then it is the duty of the clergymen and others who support them to come boldly forward and plainly tell the people wherein the message is false.
However, pointing out falsities in WTS doctrine is often viewed as persecution.
-
31
I made a Website to examine the scriptures/words usage in every JW publication since 1950/1970
by ComingOutaMyCage inhi everyone!i'm new here, but have been active on the reddit r\exjw community.
i have just published a website where i analysed the last 50-70 years worth of watchtowers, awake, books, brochures, and kingdom ministries/work books.. i have collected all the data and published it at the link below.
you can also see below an example of genesis.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
Welcome to the forum ComingOutaMyCage!
I'm sure with your background and experience you will be able to contribute to many of the issues dealt with on this forum.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Vh7
-
48
"Jehovah God"
by Jeffro inthe expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.
even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.
both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
Found it.
-
48
"Jehovah God"
by Jeffro inthe expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.
even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.
both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
I'm looking for the video where Geoffrey Jackson admits Yahweh is closer to the divine name than Jehovah. Anyone come across this?
-
39
ALL babies are "little enemies of God"...
by BoogerMan instraight from the horse's gb's mouth - from the 2022 convention broadcast.. it's at the 38 min.
30 secs.
point of the jw broadcast: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/2022convention/pub-co-r22_1_video.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
Juli Vetter writes:
The only undercover JWs I know of are PIMOs. Physically In Mentally Out.
They stay in the cult because they will be shunned by every JW including family if they leave.
The PIMOs have been a great help in exposing this abusive cult.
They often leak information to former cult members. This information includes letters to the elders and congregations, videos, literature, policy changes and more.
We see all of this before the JWs do and pass it along to anyone interested, especially the general public.
These PIMOs are often elders, bethel workers, and any other JW wanting to expose this corrupt organization.
Speaking of videos, here is a snippet from a talk at their 2022 convention which can be seen on their website now.
JWs must look at their babies as enemies of god.
Hear the insanity for yourself.
-
103
Jesus is Michael the Archangel
by Fisherman inonly jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.
“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
10 reasons why Jesus cannot be Michael the Archangel.
By Robert Skynner BD (Hons).
Scripture mentions Michael five times at: Daniel 10:13, 21, 12:1, Jude 9 and finally at Revelation 12:7. However, none of these verses states openly or even hints that Jesus Christ is Michael. The Watchtower did once teach that Michael wasn’t the Son of God (Zion’s Watchtower, November 1879, page 48), but this position has subsequently been reversed; (Watchtower 15th February 1979 on page 31).
1. Hebrews 1:4 states that Christ isn’t an angel, for he’s: “so much better than the angels.” The explanation is given in the previous verse, where the image of an image stamped by a seal in hot wax is made, to illustrate the fact that Christ and the Father share the same divine nature. So this is why he’s superior to the angels.
2. At Acts 17:31 and 1st Timothy 2:5 Christ in his post-resurrection state is described by the apostles Luke and Paul as still being ‘a man!’ Indeed, Acts 17:31 even states emphatically that it will be as a man and not as an angel that Jesus Christ will judge the world, at the judgement at the consummation of the age.
3. The angels refuse to accept worship see Revelation 22:8-9. And yet at Hebrews 1:6 God the Father here directly commands the angels to worship his Son; Jesus Christ. “Let all the angels of God worship him” (Hebrews 1:6, 1961 NWT, and all other translations).
4. Michael was unable to rebuke Satan, and instead said; ‘the Lord rebuke you’ (Jude 9, TEB), also translated as ‘may Jehovah rebuke you’ (Jude 9, NWT 1961 edition). Yet Jesus Christ rebuked Satan, and clearly did so himself at Matthew 4:10, where the 1961 edition NWT states that Christ rebuked Satan by stating: “Go sway Satan! For it is written, ‘it is Jehovah your God you must worship, and to him alone you must render service.’ ”
5. At Daniel 10:13 Michael isn’t identified as God’s Son, and neither is he spoken of as unique in any sense. For Michael is identified in the plural as “one of the chief princes.” So as Michael is only one angel amongst a company of fellow senior angels as Daniel 10:13 so clearly states. Then Christ, who is uniquely the ‘only Son’ of God (John 3:16, 1st John 4:9-14), and that by his ontological nature (Hebrews 1:3), cannot also at the very same time also be Michael, a mere archangel, and one angel amongst a company of similar angels.
6. At Hebrews 1:13 God the Father makes a direct quotation of Psalm 110:1 specifically with regard to Jesus: “But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?” Now if Christ were really Michael the archangel, then this verse wouldn’t make any sense. For the entire purpose of this passage is to convey that Christ only sits at his Father’s right hand, which in Jewish terminology means a position of authority and rank, purposely because he isn’t an angel at all, but because he’s God’s Son.
7. We read at Hebrews 2:5 concerning the world to come, which Jehovah’s Witnesses must interpret as their promised paradise earth that it will not be a world which will be in subjection to angels. However, at Hebrews 2:8, in this age to come we notice that all things, which must include the entire earth itself will be complete subject to Christ. So Christ therefore cannot be an angel.
8. How can Jesus be Michael the Archangel, when according to John 14:9 to see Jesus is to see God the Father: “He who has seen me has seen the Father.” But how can a mere archangel, who is someone other than Yahweh God, reveal God the Father (Yahweh) to us? For only Yahweh God can genuinely reveal himself, and it’s utterly impossible for someone other than God to reveal God to us. Could you the reader for instance reveal God to me by the force of your own will, can this be achieved by effort and determination? Of course not, and for the obvious reason that because you yourself are not God therefore you can’t reveal someone or something that you are not. One final point, Jesus’ use of the Greek verb for ‘see’ which is ‘horao’ means that he wasn’t claiming that he (Jesus) was God the Father as modalists such as Oneness Pentecostals and Branhamites will claim. If he had wish to imply this, then Jesus would have here used the Greek verb ‘blepo’ instead of ‘horao.’
9. When Christ returns at his second coming, we’re specifically told at 1st John 3:2 that at our own resurrection that “we shall be like him.” But, the Bible states at Acts 17:31 and 1st Timothy 2:5 that Christ in his post-resurrection state is described by the apostles Luke and Paul as ‘a man!’ (Greek: anthropos). There’s no mention of Christ being Michael the Archangel. However, if the Jehovah’s Witnesses do indeed believe that Christ was recreated as an archangel, then because we’ll be just like him, if he’s now an archangel, then that would mean that in their paradise earth, all Jehovah’s Witnesses will also lose their own human natures and be made into archangels, just like their own false Jesus!
10. 1st Corinthians 6:3 speaking of God’s people, states that they will soon judge angels: “Know ye not that we shall judge angels?” However, if Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael, who became this angel once again after his crucifixion, when his body dissolved into gasses, but was then recreated by Jehovah as the archangel Michael. Then to be consistent shouldn’t Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that one day they’ll judge Jesus Christ?
© Robert Skynner 16th June 2006. Duplication and posting of this essay online is encouraged, provided that this work isn’t edited or changed other than stylistically. My e-mail address should anyone wish to contact me is: [email protected] I’m a former Oneness Pentecostal now saved by grace rather than by my own works.
-
28
The resurrected will not get a change of clothes in the New System
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | september 2022.
20 what an exciting time the thousand year reign will be!
it will include the greatest educational program ever undertaken here on earth.
-
-
Vanderhoven7
For dramatic effect a young Charles Russell should have been the one up-front doing the teaching.