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  Do you pray?

  by Fisherman in

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  i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Sorry Waton,

  I responded to you thinking you were Fisherman.

  You're avatars are virtually identical.
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  Do you pray?

  by Fisherman in

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  i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

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  Expressing with family thankfulness for all we have in this creation, and sticking to the formula set by Jesus' example, can we do better than that?

  Yes, His example is... "Our Father who art in heaven..."

  Is God your Father or do you hope one day that He becomes your Father?

  So, would your personal relationship with God be affected if you were to reject the identity claims of certain men in Warwick New York?
  
  
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  Could the WT org. Be in on the "great reset"?

  by nowwhat? in

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  the org.

  was all too willing to emphasize to the government - especially the left that they very obedient to the calls for mask, vaccine, and lockdown mandates.

  those that know about the great reset know what i'm talking about.

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  My take is that there is no reset possible without repentance for preaching a false gospel that links salvation with an organization and a false angelic Jesus who cannot be related to in any kind of a meaningful way..
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  Do you pray?

  by Fisherman in

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  i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

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  Vanderhoven7

  I’ve always had a personal relationship with God that is not affected by any issues or controversies I have with anybody.

  Interesting. Would your personal relationship with God be affected if you were to reject the identity claims of certain men in Warwick New York?
  
  
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  The problem of questioning or the lack of politeness

  by joao in

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  a forum is a place where people should be able to talk to each other, to question, to have meaningful interactions with others in a polite and educated way, to contribute for the growth of one another.

  it seems that, here, there are some people who think that the others know nothing.

  they have all the facts, all the truth and have the disrespectful attitude of ignoring concrete and respectful questions.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Joao,

  Sometimes people refuse to answer critical questions because it is not to their advantage; not responding or not responding truthfully allows them to maintain a sense of superiority or rightness. I know it can be frustrating. But If you interpret non-response as an admission, which it often is; it will be easier to deal with.

  I believe Fisherman is here because he has serious doubts about the religion he has cherished and supported for years. To admit that would blow his cover.
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  Do you pray?

  by Fisherman in

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  i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son. Christians don't need to address God as Jehovah, but relationally as Father. Sadly 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses confess that they are not sons of God, they are not indwelt by His Holy Spirit and do not have a saving relationship with the real Jesus....or with the archangel Michael for that matter.

  Of course, they look at God propectively as their father. If they follow men in NY and faithfully work for 1000 years...they will be saved and God will actually become their father.
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  Do you pray?

  by Fisherman in

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  i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

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  Vanderhoven7

  @Biahi

  https://youtu.be/fX7aHgWRmYo
  
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

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  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Try, "I had no choice" in a court of law.
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

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  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  @ Fisherman

  To that evil generation the sign that Jesus gave to his disciples wasn’t a sign for them but it was for his disciples.

  Thanks for confirming what I said. Jesus was warning the disciples when and where to flee what the evil generation would experience.

  You might benefit by looking at how many times God changed His mind about who the generation applied to.

  1897 - “ good and evil living in 1914" Studies in the Scriptures Vol 4 pp.602,603

  1927 - “the anointed" The irresistible conclusion therefore is that Jesus referred to the new creation [the anointed] when he said: “This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.” Watchtower 1927 Feb 15 p.62

  1951 - “worldly people" So it was on “this generation” that the accumulated judgments were to fall. Watchtower 1951 Jul 1 p.404

  1962 - “good and evil” irrespective of whether such persons are righteous or wicked. Awake! 1962 Sept. 22 p.27 'This Generation Will Not Pass'

  1995 - “worldly people" Jesus was not departing from his established use of the term “this generation,” which he consistently applied to the contemporary masses with their “blind guides” Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.14,20

  1999 - “worldly people" [It refers] to people who stubbornly turn their backs on the divine purpose." WT. May 1, 1999

  2008 - “current anointed class" As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day "generation" of contemporaries that will not pass away "until all these things occur." This suggests that some who are Christ's anointed brothers will still be alive on earth when the foretold great tribulation begins." Watchtower 2008 Feb 15 p.24

  2010 - “overlapping anointed class” "He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation." Watchtower 2010 April 15 p.10
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  Vanderhoven7

  In reply he said to them: “A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet."

  Jesus outlined to his disciples the specific disasters that would precede the the great tribulation and finally the sign (abomination of desolation) for it's approach so his followers would flee Jerusalem at the right moment and avoid what would happen to wicked and adulterous people living at the time. So "this generation" refers to those who would experience the siege and onslaught of the Roman army.