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Great Sites For Watchtower INFO
by Vanderhoven7 in
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if you are looking for pre-1950 watchtower mags, try.

https://wtarchive.wordpress.com/english/zions-watch-tower/.

how about pdfs.
Vanderhoven7

If you are looking for pre-1950 Watchtower mags, try
https://wtarchive.wordpress.com/english/zions-watch-tower/
How about PDFs
https://wtarchive.wordpress.com/english/zions-watch-tower/
Which sites do you recommend
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Apostates apparently have their own terminology
by Vanderhoven7 in
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2. bible
a dyed in the wool witness actually posted this as if non-witnesses invented unheard of terminology,.

"those who devote their life to criticize jehovah’s witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:.

“8 old men in new york”,.
Vanderhoven7

Good answer!
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Apostates apparently have their own terminology
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
a dyed in the wool witness actually posted this as if non-witnesses invented unheard of terminology,.

"those who devote their life to criticize jehovah’s witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:.

“8 old men in new york”,.
Vanderhoven7
A dyed in the wool Witness actually posted this as if non-Witnesses invented unheard of terminology,
"Those who devote their life to criticize Jehovah’s Witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:
- “kangaroo court”,
- “8 old men in New York”,
- “they claim to be prophets”,
- publications “heavily redacted”,
- beliefs that “don’t stand up to scrutiny”,
- “brainwashed”,
- “love bombing”;
- they avoid “independent thinking”,
- “overlapping generation”,
- “mind control”,
- “spoon-fed”;
- “Watchtower”,
- “cognitive dissonance”;
- “they’re constantly changing their beliefs”,
- “indoctrination”,
- “conditional love”;
- “programmed”;
- “old light”,
- “a hamster wheel”,
- “they are parrots”,
- “theocratic warfare”,
- “Kool aid”,
- “they protect pedophiles”,
- “they shun you if you leave”,
- “they are a cult”,
- “they hate ex Witnesses”,
- “they don’t believe that Jesus is their mediator”,
- “they shun you even if you don’t leave but you disagree with a minor point”,
- “they believe Jesus is Michael the archangel”,
- “they don’t help the poor”,
- “they are very judgmental”,
- “they like cherry picking verses”,
- “if you tell them you are an apostate, they run away”,
- etc.
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Hypothetical Bible question for Christians
by BoogerMan in
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although not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.

reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.
Vanderhoven7

Yes, if God is Omniscient He foreknew it all including the holocaust, WWI and WWII etc.
This from "Room for Doubt"
"In these cases in which the biblical author seems to describe God as regretting something and it seems as though God did not know what would happen, it is anthropomorphic language. Anthropomorphic language (describing God using human terms) is used sometimes in the Bible. For example, God does not literally have an arm (Job 40:9) or nostrils (2 Sam. 22:9). We understand how we regret things, and by describing God as regretting His actions, it allows us to get a sense of how God feels about these sinful actions. There is some analogy between God’s sense of regret and our own, even though they are not perfectly analogous. God is infinite in knowledge and incapable of learning new information; by contrast, humanity is finite and needs to learn new things."
Since God lives outside of time He sees from beginning to end and if He is satisfied with the final result (the former things will pass away) I'm sure we will be satisfied when His image is formed in us.
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Hypothetical Bible question for Christians
by BoogerMan in
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although not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.

reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.
Vanderhoven7

What exactly do you see as evil?
That God allowed Satan into the garden?
That God foreknew the fall and still created man?
That it was not a test?
That man was bound to fail?
That Christ was bound to be crucified?
That God went ahead with creation?
By the way; if the above is true, are you still happy that God saw that you would be born and experience the life you have now?
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Hypothetical Bible question for Christians
by BoogerMan in
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2. beliefs
although not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.

reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.
Vanderhoven7

As I see it, God is omniscient. He made Adam perfectly sinless and capable of love, but ignorant of evil. So, God's image was not fully formed and could not be without the knowledge and experience of sin and evil. God is still forming the image of Christ in man by the redemptive work of Christ and the presence and work of the Holy Spirit.
It seems that God let Satan into the garden for a purpose. It was not a test. Man was bound to fail. Christ was bound to be crucified. It was the divine intention. He foreknew it all and still went ahead with creation.
I can't see any other possibility.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
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2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Diogenesister,
Just to be clear, I don't expect JWs to defend their faith. I hope they do give it a go, but I won't badger them if they don't. And I won't follow them around trying to goad them into discussions on subjects I know they are not interested in or that are unrelated to the OP. If I wanted to discuss Atheism or naturalism or evolution, I would start a thread or join in someone else's.
It's wonderful to be on a forum where people are free to talk about what they want to talk about without feeling pressure to cave into other people's agendas.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Fisherman,
Hmmm... surprising support from an unlikely corner.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Earnest
So far, my interests lie in discussing specific gospel or salvation issues with those in groups such as Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Bahai. That's about it.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Diogenesister
I choose not to discuss faith issues with Atheists. You are free to discuss anything you wish with whomever you wish...and I promise I won't get on your case.