jehovah's witnesses basically define the term "apostate" as someone who was once a member of the "organization" (a jehovah's witness) but no longer follows the teachings, rules, regulations and practices.
the society gives their official definition in the following manner: "apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of god, actually a rebellion against jehovah god.
some apostates profess to know and serve god but reject teachings or requirements set out in his word.
As I understand it, Millions then living would never die because the general resurrection would take place in 1925.
At the time, the WTS was teaching that first resurrection (of the sleeping saints) had already started in 1888. This date was changed in 1927 to have occurred in the spring of 1918. Today, it happened anytime between 1914 and 1935...but perhaps 1918.
joseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".
joseph and mary were not perfect.
the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.
Oh, I don't believe that "Faithful and discreet slave" business means anything about a "channel". Jesus words there appear to be direction for all of us to be faithful and discreet, and not unkind to those under our authority, whether we be a housewife with kids or a manager at a hotel or an elder or whatever. We all need to be faithful and discreet.
Very true AnnaNana! Were you disfellowshipped for publicly contradicting official WTS F&DS teaching?
JOAO, you asked:
How can an organization that wants to replace Jesus be Christian?
Excellent question. And another is: How can an organization of men categorically judge all Christians not associated with them as evil and worthy of destruction at Armageddon?
jehovah's witnesses basically define the term "apostate" as someone who was once a member of the "organization" (a jehovah's witness) but no longer follows the teachings, rules, regulations and practices.
the society gives their official definition in the following manner: "apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of god, actually a rebellion against jehovah god.
some apostates profess to know and serve god but reject teachings or requirements set out in his word.
Build up to 1925
"Year 1917 – First signs of 1925 teachings Although the real campaign of 1925 began in 1918, as the Watchtower Society itself documents, first publications on the expectations for this significant year, began to show up in 1917 year: No doubt Satan believed the Millennial Kingdom was due to be set up in 1915; and no doubt, also, he knew that seven years prior to the time of the setting up of that kingdom the restraints upon the evil spirits would be lifted.
Be that as it may, there is evidence that the establishment of the Kingdom in Palestine will probably be in 1925, ten years later than we once calculated. The 70 jubilees, reckoned as 50 years each, expire October, 1925. (B186.) Gen. 15:1-16:3, read connectedly, indicates that Abraham's vision as to when he would receive the Kingdom was not granted until ten years after the Covenant was made, or 2035 B. C. The ages of the animals offered aggregated eleven years, which, applied prophetically, on the scale of a year for a day, equal 3960 years, the length of time from the date of the visions to A.D. 1925. (Z.'07-79).
It seems conclusive that the hour of Nominal Zion's travail is fixed for the Passover of 1918. (See Rev. 3:14.) That will be 7 years prior to 1925. At that time there is every reason to believe the fallen angels will invade the minds of many of the Nominal Church people, driving them to exceedingly unwise conduct and leading to their destruction at the hands of the enraged masses, who will later be dragged to the same fate. The great war now raging is most certainly the work of evil spirits, and the Kaiser is not the only clever ruler who has been deceived by evil spirits, as history will sometime show. — Lu. 12:56. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 128). This coincides well with the thought previously expressed (Rev. 7:3) that all phases of Babylon will not be disposed of until about ten and a half years from the fall of 1914. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 178). (...) and we therefore expect three and a half years of proscription of the Truth, from the spring of 1918 to the fall of 1921. This will 19 give the Great Company splendid opportunities for martyrdom and allow another three and a half years, to the spring of 1925, for the world to think the matter over, by which time, doubtless, they will be quite ready to listen to the voice that speaketh from Heaven. – Heb. 12:19. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 177).
This vision of the prophet Ezekiel depicts the established theocratic Kingdom of God on earth, civil and religious, spiritual and earthly. While the Temple is an architectural possibility, as shown in the accompanying illustrations, (and may be erected at Jerusalem), it, in its various parts, surroundings, rites and worshippers, is a type and symbol of “better things to come,” after the wars, revolutions and anarchy of the period from 1914 to 1925 have passed. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 569). There will be no slip-up. (...) As he began his sojourn in the land in the year 2,045 B.C., it follows that the 3,960 years begin to count from 2,035 B.C. 2,035 plus 1,925 equals 3,960. Accordingly Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925 A.D. (The Watchtower October 15, 1917 p. 6157, reprints)."
joseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".
joseph and mary were not perfect.
the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.
Hi AnnaNanna,
I am having a hard time understanding why you believe that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the Faithful and Wise Servant of Matthew 24:25-47.
You didn't believe that until 2013. So it must be you believe this because the Governing Body told you they were the Faithful Slave.
But where is the evidence? Please list that evidence for me.
The current GB claims the Faithful and Wise Servant was appointed in Brooklyn New York in 1919? What is the evidence of that appointment on which the current GB rests it's claim to authority?
Is 1919 biblical? Who actually was appointed? Why were they appointed? What is the evidence?
It seems to me at this point, that your faith is in men, not Jehovah or His word, the Bible. And to make association with and loyalty to these men a part of the salvation formula, a requirement for surviving Armageddon, if not biblically supported, is heresy of the first order.
even in jesus’s day, humans had chromosomes.
and so did jesus —because he was human.
so let’s say jesus took a dna test, his mitochondrial dna would go back to eve but interestingly jc also would inherit dna from sinful adam on his mother’s side because his mother mary passed on to jc dna from both adam and eve.
12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?
to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.
as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.
Regardless of how you view the Bible, eternal pleasure is written therein as the destiny for the saints.
12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?
to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.
as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.
@Smiles
I would say it is biblical without the writhing.
Psalm 16:11 KJV — Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
For the joy that was set before Him Jesus forewent pleasure and endured the cross that He might win our hearts and reconcile us to the Father. Winning us was His ultimate pleasure and victory.
i am still on my holiday around the uk and currently am in the midlands if anyone is around i’d love to catch up - hope you are all well xx.
Punk, I thought you were in Canada! What happened?
12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?
to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.
as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.
Yup.. read all about it in my book, Eternal Torment-Image and Reality, available at Amazon Books. I go through all 65 Sheol, 11 Hades and 12 Gehenna passages in the Bible looking for eternal torment. Then I go through every passage that deals with final punishment in the entire Bible again searching for eternal torment.
We end uo looking extensively at Luke 16:19-31 and Revelation 20:10; the first used to support temporary torment after death and the latter, endless torment of the devil, the beast and the false prophet.
As all good Jehovah's Witnesses know, there is not one verse that says the soul is immortal or that a single human being will be writhing in endless pain to the glory of God.
the thing that broke me was that i tried to warn another mum in the congregation about a brother who was inappropriate with my son, which upset me, and so i called her to talk about it since we both knew him and i had also seen him pin her daughter down on the sofa and slap the girl's bottom.
i called it inappropriate, but i never accused him of anything beyond that.. unfortunately, word got back to him and i had to go in front of 3 elders, including the brother who i felt had been inappropriate.
because they came down on me for trying to stop the behavior, and not on him for being the cause of upset, i felt very hurt and started questioning more things.
You are one tough cookie DarleneGatus!
