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Vanderhoven7
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New Here!
by puppylove inhi everyone, been lurking and decided to join in.. nice to see everyone from other forums, especially you, redhorsewoman!
love,.
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The position of Christ in the Godhead
by JW Answers inwhat is your views on christ?.
do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?
do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.
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Vanderhoven7
Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching another gospel and another Jesus. A gospel that does not save 8.5 million members and a Created angelic Jesus that no one can even have a relationship with. There is something gravely wrong when your religion prohibits you from calling on the Jesus, sharing your burdens with Him and telling Him that you love Him for dying for your sins...and living a life of victory based on what He paid for.
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Romans 10:9, 13 Identifying Jesus as Jehovah?
by Daniel Michaels inthe use of the divine name in the nwtcgs
romans 10:9, 13
identifying jesus as jehovah
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Vanderhoven7
Good point Ding!
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UN and Governing Body and an accounting
by AnnaNana injoseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".
joseph and mary were not perfect.
the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Anna,
I don't think Jesus submitted to either the Pharisees or the Sadducees or any other illegitimate group. Their organizations were demonic. He promoted doing what they taught in the law, but urged the common people not to follow them. Instead He publicly ridiculed and blasted them for their hypocrisy. He never encouraged sinners to join or promote their organizations.
Our job as Christians is to promote Jesus; the gospel of the kingdom was a gospel of allegiance to the king. It's a spiritual kingdom of people who give their lives to the Saviour. Every one who is saved, justified and sanctified is in Christ and in His kingdom totally independent of an observable organization. Here is a 58 second video about Christian identity.
Find your IDENTITY in CHRIST: https://youtu.be/3SPomFoA-Jc
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Romans 10:9, 13 Identifying Jesus as Jehovah?
by Daniel Michaels inthe use of the divine name in the nwtcgs
romans 10:9, 13
identifying jesus as jehovah
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Vanderhoven7
Regarding Jesus using the divine name, David Chord writes:
Unless you apply simple minded thinking and suspend obvious reality, it’s impossible to prove that Jesus ever spoke out God’s Holy name.
Let’s review… for thousands of years the Jews, out of fear, refused to speak or write God’s name. In all that time, God sent prophet after prophet, to correct the Jews attitudes, beliefs and actions but not once did any of those prophets tell the Jews to use and write His name…. (Ooops silly God). Irrespective, what JWs would have us believe is that suddenly one day, Jesus turns up and starts using God’s name! …but that’s not the most incredible thing. Despite using God’s name that the Jews have fearfully avoided for centuries, the Jews aren’t even mildly shocked and make not a single objection! The reality is that they would have been extremely angry and reacted strongly had Christ used God’s name!
Understanding this means looking at the very scriptures that JWs and other simple minded folk from a different realistic and truthfilled perspective….
“I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” Jo 17:26
MADE YOUR NAME KNOWN.. is the key phrase that the simple minded latch onto ignoring the obvious problems like Jewish history, culture and reactions. They seem to ignore the previous verse…”Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me.”
Hmm so in response to the world not knowing the Father (v25), Jesus simply makes the Father’s name known (v26)? That doesn’t even make sense!
The truth is that the term “name” or “onoma” does not always refer to the label a thing is known by and it’s pretty obvious if we study the bible. In these examples the word “name” does NOT mean the label of something but rather the authority or character… but don’t take my word for it, look at these four examples of the word in biblical usage…
Luke 13:35 “Behold your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’” We’re not waiting for someone to come inside a label but rather someone to come with the authority of the Lord.
Luke 9:49 John answered, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us.” We don’t cast out demons with the label of the Lord but rather the authority of the Lord.
Luke 10:17 “The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord even the demons are subject to us in your name!” Demons aren’t subject to a label but rather to the authority of the Lord.
Luke 9:48 “and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me” Whoever receives a child in the label of the Lord receives God? Nope, we must receive a child in the authority or character of the Lord!
So when we consider the Jews, their fear of using the name of the Lord and their reaction when Jesus made God’s NAME known to them, we have to conclude that the bible isn’t actually saying that Jesus used God’s name at all. In context Jo 17:25 makes it clear Jesus wasn’t making God’s name known but was making God’s character and authority known.
THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE
(note that this also applies to the Lord’s prayer… Hallowed be thy name. It’s not the label of God that is to be hallowed but rather His character and His authority, that His name represents)
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UN and Governing Body and an accounting
by AnnaNana injoseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".
joseph and mary were not perfect.
the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Anna,
I suppose you didn't check out Eric Wilson's channel yet. But I think you would like him. And then there is David and Vivian's channel which again brings out very clearly some disturbing unbiblical elements of WTS disfellowshipping practices.
These are good Christian people who ratify the kind of experiences you have had and explained to us.
You are still preaching independently despite bring disfellowshipped. Are you preaching the same gospel that the Apostles preached or are you adding to or preaching something beyond what Paul preached?
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UN and Governing Body and an accounting
by AnnaNana injoseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".
joseph and mary were not perfect.
the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.
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Vanderhoven7
AnnaNana,
Have you ever checked out Borean Pickets? Eric Wilson, like you, was disfellowshipped and mistreated.
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Apostates
by tfjw injehovah's witnesses basically define the term "apostate" as someone who was once a member of the "organization" (a jehovah's witness) but no longer follows the teachings, rules, regulations and practices.
the society gives their official definition in the following manner: "apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of god, actually a rebellion against jehovah god.
some apostates profess to know and serve god but reject teachings or requirements set out in his word.
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Vanderhoven7
As I understand it, Millions then living would never die because the general resurrection would take place in 1925.
At the time, the WTS was teaching that first resurrection (of the sleeping saints) had already started in 1888. This date was changed in 1927 to have occurred in the spring of 1918. Today, it happened anytime between 1914 and 1935...but perhaps 1918.
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UN and Governing Body and an accounting
by AnnaNana injoseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".
joseph and mary were not perfect.
the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.
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Vanderhoven7
Oh, I don't believe that "Faithful and discreet slave" business means anything about a "channel". Jesus words there appear to be direction for all of us to be faithful and discreet, and not unkind to those under our authority, whether we be a housewife with kids or a manager at a hotel or an elder or whatever. We all need to be faithful and discreet.
Very true AnnaNana! Were you disfellowshipped for publicly contradicting official WTS F&DS teaching?
JOAO, you asked:
How can an organization that wants to replace Jesus be Christian?
Excellent question. And another is: How can an organization of men categorically judge all Christians not associated with them as evil and worthy of destruction at Armageddon?
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Apostates
by tfjw injehovah's witnesses basically define the term "apostate" as someone who was once a member of the "organization" (a jehovah's witness) but no longer follows the teachings, rules, regulations and practices.
the society gives their official definition in the following manner: "apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of god, actually a rebellion against jehovah god.
some apostates profess to know and serve god but reject teachings or requirements set out in his word.
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Build up to 1925
"Year 1917 – First signs of 1925 teachings Although the real campaign of 1925 began in 1918, as the Watchtower Society itself documents, first publications on the expectations for this significant year, began to show up in 1917 year: No doubt Satan believed the Millennial Kingdom was due to be set up in 1915; and no doubt, also, he knew that seven years prior to the time of the setting up of that kingdom the restraints upon the evil spirits would be lifted.
Be that as it may, there is evidence that the establishment of the Kingdom in Palestine will probably be in 1925, ten years later than we once calculated. The 70 jubilees, reckoned as 50 years each, expire October, 1925. (B186.) Gen. 15:1-16:3, read connectedly, indicates that Abraham's vision as to when he would receive the Kingdom was not granted until ten years after the Covenant was made, or 2035 B. C. The ages of the animals offered aggregated eleven years, which, applied prophetically, on the scale of a year for a day, equal 3960 years, the length of time from the date of the visions to A.D. 1925. (Z.'07-79).
It seems conclusive that the hour of Nominal Zion's travail is fixed for the Passover of 1918. (See Rev. 3:14.) That will be 7 years prior to 1925. At that time there is every reason to believe the fallen angels will invade the minds of many of the Nominal Church people, driving them to exceedingly unwise conduct and leading to their destruction at the hands of the enraged masses, who will later be dragged to the same fate. The great war now raging is most certainly the work of evil spirits, and the Kaiser is not the only clever ruler who has been deceived by evil spirits, as history will sometime show. — Lu. 12:56. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 128). This coincides well with the thought previously expressed (Rev. 7:3) that all phases of Babylon will not be disposed of until about ten and a half years from the fall of 1914. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 178). (...) and we therefore expect three and a half years of proscription of the Truth, from the spring of 1918 to the fall of 1921. This will 19 give the Great Company splendid opportunities for martyrdom and allow another three and a half years, to the spring of 1925, for the world to think the matter over, by which time, doubtless, they will be quite ready to listen to the voice that speaketh from Heaven. – Heb. 12:19. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 177).
This vision of the prophet Ezekiel depicts the established theocratic Kingdom of God on earth, civil and religious, spiritual and earthly. While the Temple is an architectural possibility, as shown in the accompanying illustrations, (and may be erected at Jerusalem), it, in its various parts, surroundings, rites and worshippers, is a type and symbol of “better things to come,” after the wars, revolutions and anarchy of the period from 1914 to 1925 have passed. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 569). There will be no slip-up. (...) As he began his sojourn in the land in the year 2,045 B.C., it follows that the 3,960 years begin to count from 2,035 B.C. 2,035 plus 1,925 equals 3,960. Accordingly Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925 A.D. (The Watchtower October 15, 1917 p. 6157, reprints)."