Posts by Vanderhoven7

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114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?
by Wonderment in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

he brought up this juicy source:.
Vanderhoven7

Both the 144,000 and the "Great Crowd") consist of members who are:
144,000 ........................................................................... GREAT CROWD
a. From every kindred and nation. 5:9..................................... 7:9
b. Servants of God. 7:3............................................................. 7:15
c. Divinely protected thru tribulation 9:4,5 /Acts 14:22..........7:14
d. followers of the Lamb 14:4 ..................................................7:17
e. Redeemed 14:3 .....................................................................7:14
f. Pure and Spotless 14:4 .........................................................7:13,14
g. Standing before the throne 14:1,3......................................./7:9
h. Before the Lamb 5:8..............................................................7:9
i. In His temple (naos) 11:1,2 ...................................................7:15; 11:19
j. Tenting/residing with God 2Cor. 6:16 ..................................7:15
i. Dressed in white robes 6:11 .................................................7:9
j. Wearing robes that are washed 22:14 .................................7:14
h. A heavenly class 14:1; 4:1,2; ..............................................19:1
i. Spirit begotten 7:3 I ..............................................................Jn. 5:1
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114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?
by Wonderment in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

he brought up this juicy source:.
Vanderhoven7

Amen Iriddle80
That is the hearing, then seeing pattern found throughout Revelation.
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Jehovah's New Light
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.
Vanderhoven7
- Gerrit Lösch would face a disciplinary hearing if caught reading "Crisis of Conscience" and disfellowshipped for reading "In Search of Christian Freedom."
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Jehovah's New Light
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.
Vanderhoven7

People should definitively stop asking Jehovah's Witnesses questions they can't answer; at least that they can't answer scripturally. It might just wake them up to the fact that their religion is not biblical i.e., that every doctrine that is unique to Jehovah's Witness is extra-biblical.
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Jehovah's New Light
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.
Vanderhoven7

What new light from Jehovah did you find hard to swallow?
The conversations in the attached video are enlightening. The graphic is hilarious.
https://youtu.be/bYJ3ZRPbUVg
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Religion vs. The Gospel
by Chalam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello jwners,.

the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .
Vanderhoven7

Hi Guys,
Didn't think this would develop into a thread about Trinity. I was hoping it would be about the distinctions between the Watchtower gospeland that of Paul's.
It seems to me that the gospel that Jehovah's Witnesses preach is very distinct from Paul's gospel in terms of:
a. message content,
b. nature of salvation
c benefits of salvation
d. means of salvation
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Religion vs. The Gospel
by Chalam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello jwners,.

the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .
Vanderhoven7

I think the OP bears repeating. Do vs done .
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WT Style Pacificism
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
episode 203 of netflix ... i am a killer looks at the murder of christopher chavez in texas.

christopher chavez was a 22 year old ministerial servant and a born-in son of an jw elder.

after a thursday night meeting and a quick bite to eat afterwards with friends at a local restaurant, he was kidnapped, taken to a gas station and forced to drive his killers around for hours while they were in the back seat.
Vanderhoven7

Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses won't carry guns, but they will quickly call on those who do to come to their rescue.
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“Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman in
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2. beliefs
“this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.
Vanderhoven7

Fisherman
There was nothing salvific about believing in 1874, nor is there anything salvific about believing in 1914.
What is salvific is knowing the Father and the Son through repentance and faith.
People were saved and sanctified long before Watchtower came up with 1874 and 1914.
Neither do we serve God by believing in a date.
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“Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
“this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.
Vanderhoven7

Fisherman
Luke 21:24,Rev 12:7-10,Dan 4:25 are all referring to the year 1914, the year Jesus began ruling as king—as JW see it and JW are required to agree with the belief. If you don’t, you are not a JW and if you are not a JW you are not a Christian.
Poor Charlie Russell was not a Christian then since he believed Christ began ruling in 1878.
Actually these verses teach that you can't be a Christian if you don't believe Christ's invisible presence began in 1934.
So all JWs are not Christians.
Unfortunately, only those who believe in 1934 will survive Armageddon.
There is no zero AD year and that year needed to be factored in which at first they didn’t realize it.
Yes and that's why 606 was changed to 607 to maintain the erroneous 1914 date.