Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

Vanderhoven7

The faithful and discreet slave is every Christian who will hear Jesus say, "Well done my good and faithful servant!"

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God Has Only One Visible Organization on Earth!

by Vanderhoven7 in

why is it important to some that god only have one visible organization to represent him on earth?

why is it important to jehovah's witnesses that people recognize their organization as such?

what makes a witness more moral or righteous or save-worthy if they accept that it is his one and only organization?

Vanderhoven7

I agree with you Ding.

According to Jehovah's Witnesses you must get right with the organization if you want to be saved. It's not helpful if you come to Jesus if you don't come through the organization. Jesus can't save without the organization. I don't know how people could have been saved before Russell came on the scene. Just read the literature from the Faithful Slave at headquarters in New York.

"Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation." WT 11-15-81 p.21

"To receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise, we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." WT 2-15-83 p.12

"Bible students...must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation." Our Kingdom Ministry, Nov, 1990

Those who do good things for Jesus' "brothers" because these anointed ones are his followers have the hope of surviving "the day of Jehovah."
(Watchtower, September 15, 1997 p. 17)

"Yes! genuine Christians are now being gathered into a united brotherhood earth wide. Who are they? They are the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses..." (Watchtower, July 1, 1994 p. 7)

"The Scriptures strongly support the conclusion that at Armageddon Jehovah will destroy the peoples of the earth, saving only those who obey his commandments to stand by his organization." (Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, 1993, p. 170)

"We will be impelled to serve Jehovah loyally with his organization if we remember that there is nowhere else to go for life eternal."
(Watchtower, November 15, 1992 p. 21 - "Serve Jehovah Loyally"

"Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the "one flock" Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established." (Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1990 p. 1)

"You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of eternal life." (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p.255)

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." (Watchtower, September 1, 1989 p. 19)

"In this way only lovers of God and of his family, his organization, will survive and enter into the cleansed earth that is to be transformed into a glorious Paradise." (Watchtower, December 15, 1982 p. 27 - Clothing Ourselves With Love and Wearing It)

"Know that all living at Armageddon will be baptized, either with fire for destruction with the wicked or with salvation for life with the theocratic organization." (Watchtower, June 1, 1952 p. 350)

I have to tell Witnesses, the organization is not the channel, the truth and the life. Jesus saves independent of men and organizations.

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How get out of watchtower?

by Hellothere in

how do you get out of watchtower?

am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

how are the steps.

Vanderhoven7

Why in the world would you want to talk to people that do not want to talk to you even if it is family.

Perhaps because you love your family even though they are shunning you because you have disassociated yourself in good faith from the organization.

BTW, there are no scriptural grounds for shunning non-JWs or non-Christians.

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God Has Only One Visible Organization on Earth!

by Vanderhoven7 in

why is it important to some that god only have one visible organization to represent him on earth?

why is it important to jehovah's witnesses that people recognize their organization as such?

what makes a witness more moral or righteous or save-worthy if they accept that it is his one and only organization?

Vanderhoven7

That's stretching it Slim.

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God Has Only One Visible Organization on Earth!

by Vanderhoven7 in

why is it important to some that god only have one visible organization to represent him on earth?

why is it important to jehovah's witnesses that people recognize their organization as such?

what makes a witness more moral or righteous or save-worthy if they accept that it is his one and only organization?

Vanderhoven7

<<Korah, Dathan and Abiram>>

Excellent and cryptic answer Slim. And there was Noah as well.

But what was God's crucial single visible organization from 300 AD to 1800 AD i.e., before Russell came on the scene?

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God Has Only One Visible Organization on Earth!

by Vanderhoven7 in

why is it important to some that god only have one visible organization to represent him on earth?

why is it important to jehovah's witnesses that people recognize their organization as such?

what makes a witness more moral or righteous or save-worthy if they accept that it is his one and only organization?

Vanderhoven7

Why is it important to some that God only have one visible organization to represent Him on earth? Why is it important to Jehovah's Witnesses that people recognize their organization as such? What makes a Witness more moral or righteous or save-worthy if they accept that it is His one and only organization? Can't people love God and Christ and live holy lives without believing a particular organization is the only one having Jehovah's approval?

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How get out of watchtower?

by Hellothere in

how do you get out of watchtower?

am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

how are the steps.

Vanderhoven7

"But if you ever want to come back…"

Yes, you may want to come back so family members will talk to you again...but not necessarily because you believe in the religion.

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How get out of watchtower?

by Hellothere in

how do you get out of watchtower?

am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

how are the steps.

Vanderhoven7

Well, if you are ready to close this chapter of your life, I would talk to your mother first and let her know you feelings and plans. Then I would write a disassociation letter saying you choose not to be a Jehovah's Witness and you want nothing to do with the organization from this day forward including visits from elders.

If elders call, tell them to read and follow the directions in your disassociation letter. There is nothing to discuss.

Congratulations by the way!

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