Posts by Vanderhoven7

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How many doubt the GB official teaching about who will survive

by Indoubtbigtime in

i wonder how many have doubts about the gb teaching that only baptised jws would survive the big a?

even then they still only say you may make it as with unbaptised kids of jdubs.

i think most people physically in don’t agree with the gb on this and are hoping jehovah would let other good people into the new world even if they are not baptised jws.

Vanderhoven7

Even JWs won't survive Armageddon if they don't fully trust and obey the Watchtower Faithful Slave.

The only way they can be assured of a place in the new system, is to die before the tribulation starts. It's in Bible-based Literature.

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What makes the Watchtower Society essential to Salvation?

by Vanderhoven7 in

is the watchtower society and watchtower literature essential for salvation according to jehovah's witnesses?.

ii timothy 3:15–17 that tells us that the word is sufficient for salvation and holiness, that the man of god might be perfect, thoroughly furnished for good works?.

people became christians, i.e., were justified and lived holy lives long before the watchtower society came on the scene.

Vanderhoven7

Oops I forgot to acknowledge Juli as the writer of the last post.

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What makes the Watchtower Society essential to Salvation?

by Vanderhoven7 in

is the watchtower society and watchtower literature essential for salvation according to jehovah's witnesses?.

ii timothy 3:15–17 that tells us that the word is sufficient for salvation and holiness, that the man of god might be perfect, thoroughly furnished for good works?.

people became christians, i.e., were justified and lived holy lives long before the watchtower society came on the scene.

Vanderhoven7

Perhaps it's the Slave.

The JW leaders talk out both sides of their mouths and the JWs will always lie to protect their 8 leaders.

Common knowledge from their own literature about needing their 8 leaders for salvation.

The Governing Body go as far as to claim that trusting in them equates to trusting in Jehovah.

"The plain truth is that we cannot say that we trust in Jehovah if we do not trust in his earthly representatives—those whom Jehovah trusts.
Today Jehovah leads the earthly part of his organization by means of “the faithful and discreet slave.” ... We show that we trust in Jehovah’s way of doing things by heeding the direction we receive from the organization and the elders." Watchtower 2022 Feb p.4

"That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel." Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20

"We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah’s approval." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.24 Simplified English Edition

"... show respect for the “faithful and discreet slave” that He is using at the present time. Actually, your very life depends on following this course of action. Remember, too, it is only he that endures to the end that will be saved." Watchtower 1964 Jul 15 p.435

"To act consistently with our baptism for life and into the Greater Noah we must submit to and cooperate with that slave and its legal instrument, the Watch Tower Society." Watchtower 1959 Oct 1 p.583

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Jesus Never Limited His Promies to 144K

by Sea Breeze in

what were we thinking?

mat_10:32 whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will i confess also before my father which is in heaven.. mat_10:33 but whosoever shall deny me before men, him will i also deny before my father which is in heaven.. mat_12:50 for whosoever shall do the will of my father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.. mat_16:25 for whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.. mat_18:4 whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.. mar_10:15 verily i say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of god as a little child, he shall not enter therein.. luk 6:47,48 whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, i will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man .

which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock.

Vanderhoven7

Excellent thread.

The fact is, Jehovah’s Witnesses are preaching another gospel and another Jesus. They are preaching a gospel which does not save (justify the sinner) and an unrelatable angelic creature Jesus who they cannot call on or come to or interact with.

8 million Jehovah's Witnesses cannot even say, "Thank you Jesus for saving me!" because firstly they are not saved and secondly because interacting with invisable angels is spiritism.

As the Bible says, Jesus can't save you if you don't put your trust in men in New York.

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Sunday January 15 is my 76th birthday. I answer some of your questions.

by Terry in

jw
friends

happy birthday 2 me!!.

sunday is my 76th birthday and i know that you want to know how it "feels" to have outlived my usefulness, to have lost my natural beauty (being reduced to wrinkles and flab), and constantly walking into a room not knowing why i'm there.

you also are curious as to how i can continue to find a reason to live since none of my kids think my opinions have any possible value, most of my facebooks friends i wouldn't recognize if i tripped over them on my way into starbucks, and my monthly expenditure on bird treats exceeds u.s. spending on the military.

Vanderhoven7

Happy birthday Terry!

FYI I respect my elders. You are weeks ahead of me.

Enjoy your day!

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Vanderhoven7

My doctor got very upset with me after he told me to abstain from meat and I went ahead and had a liver transplant. 🙃

Watchtower acknowledges that blood transfusions are organ transplants.

The Bible makes it clear that it is sinful to transplant organs that contain billions of donor white blood cells....but since 1980 Jehovah Witnesses encourage disobedience to God's primary component laws.

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Vanderhoven7

@Hopeless

I see that the effects of the organization in your situation are ongoing and inescapable. I suppose that is why you selected the "Hopeless1" moniker. As a Christian, I see Christ as the Hope of the Hopeless and like you do not view any religious organization as being the unique expression of God and His Christ. I believe Jesus saves and sanctifies independent of men who claim to be God's sole spokesmen on earth.

Have you read Crisis of Conscience or In Search of Christian Freedom? You mentioned the Rutherford era. A really good Watchtower apostate in my books, Meleti Vivlon, has dealt with this part of Watchtower history including the presidencies of Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz, through interviews with James Penton. Check these out if you have time and interest.

I wish you God's best in 2023,

Rick

https://youtu.be/20dNBzpgRNc (part 1)

https://youtu.be/NHMGyC_h1LM (part 2)

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Vanderhoven7

Thanks Pete! That's helpful.

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Vanderhoven7

@Hopeless,

My heart goes out to you. No child should have to go through what you experienced. How did you break away from the religion and at what further cost?

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Vanderhoven7

Just picked this up:

Deuteronomy 14:21 says: “You must not eat any animal that was found dead.”

Yet, Leviticus 11:40 reads: “He who eats any of its dead body will wash his garments, and he must be unclean until the evening.” Similarly, Leviticus 17:15, 16 says: “If anyone, whether a native or a foreigner, eats an animal found dead or one torn by a wild animal, he must then wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; then he will be clean. But if he does not wash them and does not bathe himself, he will answer for his error.”

Is there any contradiction or discrepancies here? No. The verses explain themselves in context. The first text repeats the prohibition against eating an animal found dead, perhaps one that was killed by wild beasts. (Exodus 22:31; Leviticus 22:8) The next two explains what an Israelite might have done if he violated that prohibition, possibly by accident.The fact that something was prohibited by the Law did not mean that the prohibition would not at some time be ignored. For example, there were laws against stealing, murder, bearing false witness, and so forth. At the same time, there were penalties for breaking those divinely given laws. Such penalties gave force to the laws and showed how serious they were

A person who transgressed the prohibition against eating the flesh of an animal found dead would be unclean in Jehovah’s eyes and would have to undergo the proper procedure for cleansing. If he failed to cleanse himself properly, he would have to “answer for his error.”—Leviticus 17:15, 16. Clearly, those verses are not giving permission to eat a dead animal. They are like the sign that says:

It's definitely not posted to give authorization for people who need to test their eyesight!