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  Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

  by Fisherman in

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  take for example revelation 21: 10. .

  “….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

  here john sees something happening, action.

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  No. He came in the clouds of heaven in AD 70 in judgment on Jerusalem.
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  Overlapping Generation

  by pandorasbox1914 in

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  the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

  his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

  no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

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  Here is a picture of one overlapping generation

  This baby managed to take a picture with dad, grandfather, great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather together !! ♥ ️

  Credit: FB

  
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  JWs and the constitution of the United States

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  jws will not salute the flag.

  however they will support the us constitution which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war.

  isn’t that tant amount to supporting the country going to war?.

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  @Ratti

  "Where does the idea come from that Jws are against war and the military?"

  Didn't know Watchtower was and is pro-war.

  It must be true the JWs support the USA fighting wars. After all they profited from war. In 2002 they owned 50% of Rand CanEngine Corp stock, a company that made awesome war machines.
  

  http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/922330/000106299302000371/form10k.txt
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  How do JWs know that millions who were martyred as Christians before the 20th century did not have the heavenly hope?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  as i understand it, jehovah’s witnesses believe less than 145,000 faithful christians existed prior to the twentieth century.

  the other sheep christians did not start forming until after 1914. that means jehovah’s witnesses view millions martyred for their faith in christ prior to the 20th century as merely professed christians.. the question is…how do witnesses know that those millions who perished for their faith in christ were not christians at all?.

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  As far as I know a non-justified bereft of the indwelling Holy Spirit Great Crowd is unique to Watchtower.
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

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  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  Arrogant or what!
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

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  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  Only the Faithful Slave understands the Bible.

  “... not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years - if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures.” Watchtower: September 15, 1910, page 298

  Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1981, p. 27).

  WT 10/1/1967: "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."

  
  

  WT 1/15/1983: "Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God's organization? No, we cannot!"

  
  

  1. “Only this organization functions for Jehovah’s purpose and to his praise. To it alone God’s Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).

     
     

  2. “We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).

     
     

  3. ” . . . people cannot see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself . . . if he then lays them [Scripture Studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures,” (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).

     
     

  4. “Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587).

     
     

  5. “The world is full of Bibles, which Book contains the commandments of God. Why, then, do the people not know which way to go? Because they do not also have the teaching or law of the mother, which is light. Jehovah God has provided his holy written Word for all mankind and it contains all the information that is needed for men in taking a course leading to life. But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: “Light is sown for the righteous.” (Ps. 97:11) It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother,” (Watchtower, May 1, 1957, p. 274).

     
     

  6. “Channel to understanding the Bible . . . All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave,” (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8).
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  @Ratti

  "God created the heavens and the earth and then neglected it."

  Why would you conclude neglect? John 3:16-17 says the exact opposite.

  "There are a bunch of details about what people think that God is pleased with or displeased with, but no one knows God."

  You can legitimately say that you do not know Him or what pleases Him, but you can't know that about everyone else.

  My take is that God has revealed Himself and His Will in Jesus Christ.

  Perhaps man cannot know God through science, religion, logic or philosophy but then there is divine revelation where God speaks to the repentant heart.
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  JWs and the constitution of the United States

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  jws will not salute the flag.

  however they will support the us constitution which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war.

  isn’t that tant amount to supporting the country going to war?.

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  Just picked this up.

  The oath was required as a prerequisite to the issuance of a passport from 1861, to 1966, when the State Department made it optional.
  
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  JWs and the constitution of the United States

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws will not salute the flag.

  however they will support the us constitution which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war.

  isn’t that tant amount to supporting the country going to war?.

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  @Atlantis

  Excellent find.

  @ Mad-JW

  I smell hypocrisy.

  
  
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

  1. watchtower
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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  Vanderhoven7

  All true Christians know God and Christ Jesus independent of the Watchtower Faithful Slave organization. Unlike 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses all true Christians are justified, imputed Christ's righteousness and are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.