i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
Fisherman
What evidence convinces you that Christ became invisibly present in 1914?
Secondly, what evidence convinces you that Jesus selected Joseph Rutherford and the directors of the Watchtower Society to be his Faithful Slave in 1919?
Thirdly, what evidence convinces you that accepting these dates and the events alledged to have transpired on these dates is necessary for salvation or even to be a Christian?
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Hi Gavin,
May the words God spoke to you come to pass real soon.
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
I found this question on line:
Is it true that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the only way of salvation?
The answer given was:
If you don’t trust the Faithful Slave, you do not trust Jehovah. How can anyone be saved if they don’t trust Jehovah? Jehovah fully trusts the Faithful Slave, so shouldn’t you trust the Slave as well and receive the words of the Faithful Slave as the word of God.
All the evidence in the Bible points to the selection of the Slave in 1919 when Joseph Rutherford and the directors of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania were serving in Brooklyn New York. These were fine anointed men, with humble hearts teaching wonderful truths out of the Bible. Yes, they made asses of themselves when they taught in the Millions Campaign that 1925 would mark the return of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that in 1926 you could call Abraham in Jerusalem and ask for Granny to be raised. But, they, unlike Christendom admitted their mistake and revised their understanding.
Similarly in 1968 when they taught young people that they would never grow old in this system and were encouraged to stay alive till 75 and now they are AARP card carrying senior citizens. But that mistake was because many Jehovah’s Witnesses blew these cautious predictions in their minds until they burst asunder. Then they were humbled and learned not to serve God for a date. That is when the true worshippers began making those neglected repairs on their homes and made dentist appointments again. But the point is, the Faithful Slave is not infallible like the Pope of Rome. Yet if you do not heed their message and refuse to trust them, you will be destroyed at Armageddon or sooner, during the Great Tribulation. Only those who trust in these princes have a scriptural hope of surviving the conclusion of this system of things…as the scriptures say.
Unfortunately, Jesus can’t save you without them. So hurry and come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
I don't see in scripture that people must find an organization to have God's approval or to be justified
The requirements for forgiveness and imputation of righteousness are clear and they are repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
There is nothing like; you must trust the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses to have God's approval.
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
So without 1914 or 1919, what exactly makes association with wt essential to salvation?
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
@ Fisherman
"It doesn’t depend on wt."
What doesn't depend on wt?
Doesn't Jehovah's approval and surviving Armageddon depend on association with wt?
Are there Christians, i.e., members of the Great Crowd of other sheep running around today that don't associate with wt?
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
Hi Rattigan.
Can you be specific? I don't see a single sign for the parousia in either chapter.
i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..
The 1914 parousia is bogus nonsense based on a series of groundless assumptions as were the 1844 and 1874 parousias.
both the 144,000 and the "great crowd") consist of members who are:.
144,000 great crowd.
a. from every kindred and nation.
The Faithful Slave has hijacked both the living remnant of the 144,000 and the entire Great Crowd as being solely associated with their organization in New York.
In other words, one has to be associated with their organization to be a Christian.
Unfortunately for 99.9% of Watchtower Witnesses, biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a Christian who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit and is bereft of a heavenly hope.
Consequently their version of the Great Crowd is bogus.
both the 144,000 and the "great crowd") consist of members who are:.
144,000 great crowd.
a. from every kindred and nation.
Both the 144,000 and the "Great Crowd") consist of members who are:
144,000 Great Crowd
a. From every kindred and nation. 5:9 ... 7:9
b. Servants of God. 7:3.... 7:15
c. Divinely protected thru tribulation 9:4,5 /Acts 14:22.... 7:14
d. followers of the Lamb 14:4 .... 7:17
e. Redeemed 14:3 .... 7:14
f. Pure and Spotless 14:4 7:13,14
g. Standing before the throne 14:1,3,5.... 7:9
h. Before the Lamb 5:8 ... 7:9
i. In His temple (naos) 11:1,2 .... 7:15; 11:19
j. Tenting/residing with God 2Cor. 6:16.... 7:15
k. Dressed in white robes 6:11.... 7:9
l. Wearing robes that are washed 22:14 .... 7:14
m. A heavenly class 14:1; 4:1,2; .... 19:1
n. Spirit begotten 7:3.... I Jn. 5:1
