Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Vanderhoven7

Hi EP,

Yes, white blood cells in a mother's milk are the same as those in the blood stream.

By the way, there are 12 times as many white blood cells in organs as in the blood stream itself. These cannot be removed from the tissue of organs that are transplanted.

Why do you think Jews could eat animals found dead in their fields (unbled) with relative impunity. They would merely have to wash their clothes and be unclean until evening.

Levitcus 11:38,39 - "If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches its carcass will be unclean till evening. Anyone who eats some of its carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening." (see also Leviticus 17:15)

Do you think a Christian farmer today should wash and change his apparel if he eats the meat of a cow that died in his field?

Vander

PS: Cofty has a thorough study on the blood issue. I believe it is posted on this forum somewhere.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Vanderhoven7

@EP

I was hoping you would answer:

Do you think if Paul were invited alone to the home of a pagan who was known to buy unbled meat from the shambles, that he would ask questions of conscience?

Do you believe God against organ transplants?

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, I believe God's word as well.

Milk is not blood, but a mother's milk contains millions of white blood cells none the less.

The dietary rules found in Acts 15 were temporary and designed to facilitate fellowship between Jewish and Gentile Christians. Even Pastor Russell got that right.

Do you think if Paul were invited alone to the home of a pagan who was known to buy unbled meat from the shambles, that he would ask questions of conscience?

So what about organ transplants? Would God be against a Christian having a kidney transplant from a family member to save his or her life?

Before you answer this "trap" question, you do realize that billions of white blood cells are passed from donor to recipient with every major organ transplant.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Vanderhoven7

@ EasyPrompt,

You realize of course, that a mothers milk contains white blood cells that help protect their babies from infection and disease. Millions of white blood cells are passed from mother to child at every feeding.

Does God break His own rules...or are blood transfusions acceptable to him?

Do you believe God is against organ transplants?

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Vanderhoven7

@EasyPrompt

Do you believe Jehovah is against transfusion of white blood cells?

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Seven Reasons Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Leaving Their Religion.

by Hairyhegoat in

these are good comments to consider enjoy!.

jehovah's witnesses who leave their religion, do so for many different reasons.

here are seven.. watchtower prophecies and dates for armageddon have failed repeatedly.

Vanderhoven7

Why many don't leave..

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Seven Reasons Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Leaving Their Religion.

by Hairyhegoat in

these are good comments to consider enjoy!.

jehovah's witnesses who leave their religion, do so for many different reasons.

here are seven.. watchtower prophecies and dates for armageddon have failed repeatedly.

Vanderhoven7

Here is why Graeme Hammond left the fold.

"For some years I’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: I was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, I felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and I was drained by their demands on my time. I was frustrated by their blinkered vision and sick of everyone being treated as a child. The meetings and conventions were tedious and repetitive and the level of judgmentalism and gossip was sickening. We were all being watched.

I was already missing meetings and making a pretence of field service. Even when I met people at their doors, I had no desire to try to persuade them to join because I felt it was unfair to entice them into such a constricted life that I hated.

In the end it was “Crisis of Conscience”, the tell-all book by former Governing Body member Ray Franz about his life in — and exit from — the Witnesses, that made me realise I could just walk away. After just two or three chapters I became starkly aware that the religion was in so many ways fraudulent, with no more claim to being “God’s organisation” than any other religion.

As each chapter unfolded, it became painfully obvious that I had been defrauded and manipulated for the entire time I had spent in the religion. Franz’s book showed plainly that it was a totally man-made, man-run organisation seized with an oversized sense of self-importance and a mean streak of vindictiveness.

Once I read that book — and followed it up with books by Jim Penton, Robert Crompton, Tony Wills and others — the more I learned about the religion I’d given so much of my life to. There was no Armageddon, no “faithful slave”, no mathematical formulation of the “last days”, no hotline to God. And no reason for me to ever set foot again inside a Kingdom Hall.

I never regretted leaving: walking away from it made me realise that I was reclaiming my life. Yet in a sense I did “look back”. The sense of anger and humiliation about the deception and control is not something you can easily dismiss. It burned me up for a long time, but today those emotions are a distant past.

I was a cult member, but I escaped. And I survived.

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At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

is he or she an apostate to the faith?

Vanderhoven7

At what point does a Jehovah’s Witness cease to be a Jehovah’s Witness? What if a Witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the Governing Body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped? Is he or she an apostate to the faith? Is it possible that there is a high percentage of Jehovah's Witnesses that don't believe some of the core teachings of the religion?

Grant Davis writes:

Belief here is an interesting concept. Does it mean that you believe everything - is the gestalt important to being the belief?

For example, I knew a JW woman who was not happy with only male members operating the sound system. There’s no biblical basis for the belief, so why is it so?

My own, late parents, didn’t believe in shunning me as they saw it as cruel and inhumane. I’m sure these folks aren’t unique and if you scratch below the surface, almost every JW is going to have that small nagging doubt which they supress in favour of continued belief.

If your benchmark for belief is that JWs accept everything without question, then my parents didn’t believe.

If your benchmark for belief is clinging to a core doctrine, then at what point do doubts in that doctrine, represent apostasy?

In my own case I was concerned in the 90s that the 1914 generation had by some means passed away. I was told to leave it Jehovah’s hands. I continued to hold onto the religion until about 6 years ago. The solution to the 1914 belief was so ridiculous, so contrived and so unscriptural, it made my mind up that the religion was entirely wrong and they were making stuff up.

From that you might say that I was always in a state of disbelief which only required confirmation.

As for percentages, I have no idea.

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Should a person die for their religious BELIEFS?

by Fisherman in

in ancient israel many of the prophets were killed as a result of their religious assignments —from god.

even soldiers were sent out to fight against idolatrous “uncircumcised” and logically some died for example jonathan, the son of king saul.

these soldiers were said to be fighting the wars of jehovah and there was no miraculous salvation for everybody all of the time.

Vanderhoven7

Dying for a religion is useless. Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ. He is worth living for and dying for. That is what becoming and living as a Christian is all about. Galatians 2:20