Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Who are Jesus" other sheep?

by Vanderhoven7 in

watchtower other sheep.

and other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

(john 10:16).

Vanderhoven7

@bbqbob

The Bible teaches that all Christians are born-again of and indwelt by the Spirit and as such are justified sons of God bound for glory.

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Who are Jesus" other sheep?

by Vanderhoven7 in

watchtower other sheep.

and other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

(john 10:16).

Who are Jesus" other sheep?

by Vanderhoven7 in

watchtower other sheep.

and other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

(john 10:16).

Vanderhoven7

WATCHTOWER OTHER SHEEP

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

The words “other sheep” on the lips of Jesus in John 10:16 are not defined for us...so admittedly there is a certain amount of ambiguity which both Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons capitalize on. Now there is a reason for the ambiguity, which I won't go into now. But, letting scripture interpret scripture, we remember Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel....not to the Gentiles. It was actually some time after Pentecost that the disciples came to realize that Jesus also laid down His life for the Gentile nations and that the gospel was intended for them as well as the Jews; that they both would be one body in Christ as Paul brings out in Eph 2:16 and they would share one hope Eph 4:4 of their calling.

That's the Bible interpreting the Bible. But the WTS feels it has the authority over the Bible to add to or impregnate this passage with all kinds of extra-biblical teaching: According to the WTS Jesus was intending in Jn 10:16 to communicate much more information. To Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus was actually saying here:

And other sheep have I, which are not of this fold: no, because:

1. They will only begin being called early on in the 20th century...not before.

2. They will not be saints of God,

3. They will not have the indwelling Holy Spirit.

4. My righteousness will not be imputed to them.

5. They will not be justified to life until the 1000 years are completed.

6. They will not merit being raised in the first resurrection

7. I will not be their personal mediator;

8. They will not be part of my New Covenant arrangement.

9. They will not be entitled to partake of the emblems of my death.

10. They will not have a heavenly hope

11. They will be not Spirit Begotten Son's of God.

12. They will need to be affiliated with the Watchtower Society to be saved from ultimate destruction at Armageddon.

This might be what this verse means to Jehovah's Witnesses.... But is two class Christianity what the Bible teaches?

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Petition against Ostracism Practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

https://peticaopublica.com.br/pview.aspx?pi=br137007.

petition against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.

public petition: against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.

Vanderhoven7

@bbqbob,

You are welcome. Glad you are still with us.

"Two class system, please show some scriptures that disprove the little flock from the other sheep."

I'll start a thread on this one if you don't mind.

Van

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NEW LIGHTS regarding d/f'd JW's!

by BoogerMan in

jw's can now talk to disfellowshipped friends & relatives, in order to encourage them back to the k.h.

and to welcome any d/f'd ones who turn up at the k.h.. https://www.jw.borg/download/?docid=1112024005&langwritten=asl.

remove the b in the borg.

Vanderhoven7

I like this former elder on the subject of new light

https://www.youtube.com/live/Niylx2e5LCc?si=MU88ThGebtgjnERH

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Vanderhoven7

JWs have an unrelatable Jesus that you cannot come to and share your burdens with.p

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Vanderhoven7

Bible-based does not always mean biblical. When it comes to unique WT teachings, Bible-based means unbiblical.

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Petition against Ostracism Practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

https://peticaopublica.com.br/pview.aspx?pi=br137007.

petition against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.

public petition: against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.

Vanderhoven7

@bbqbob.

Welcome to the forum Bob!

It takes guts to be here where your faith will no doubt be challenged.

Let me encourage you to hang around and discuss issues in a free environment, that is open to Atheists, Agnostics, JWs and exJWs as well Bible believers such as myself.

Like you, I believe the Bible is the word of God; unlike you, I have never been one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Like you, I don't believe the Bible teaches eternal torment is the wage of sin or that the soul is inately immortal, but unlike you I don't believe that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is biblical. By that I mean that I believe every doctrine or teaching that is unique and original to Jehovah's Witnesses is not found in the Bible.

You have listed a few of the unique Watchtower teachings in your last post that you would like anyone try to disprove. By the way, it can be a difficult task trying to disprove a negative. You know, prove pink elephants don't exist for example. So the onus usually falls on the one claiming that pink elephants exist to provide evidence that they do.

All this to say, I hope you feel welcome enough to stay a while and share in the discussion on topics Watchtower related.

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Faithful Slave Appointment: What are the assumptions of Watchtower Matthew 24:45-47 Eschatology?

by Vanderhoven7 in

text: matthew 24:45-47.

45 “who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.

Vanderhoven7

Watchtower religion is based on eisegesis rather than exegesis.

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

Vanderhoven7

Was it the rich man's literal tongue that was burning? Would literal drops of water soothe his tongue?

Time to recognize the account of Lazarus and the Rich Man is fictional.

My contention is that the literary form of Lazarus and the Rich Man is satire, or more particularly, a parody, there must be clear evidence that:

a. A common or "well known story line is being imitated".

b. irony is employed; that the story’s outcome is changed such that there is clear “incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the expected result”

c. the unexpected results "highlight human stupidity" or corruption.

d. "a comic end is served", the purpose of which is to cause listeners "to detach sympathies from certain people (groups), to judge their actions and to see the absurdity in their behavior…

Satire can be defined as “biting wit, irony or sarcasm used to expose vice or folly...”.

And good satire never fails to inspire “laughter, contempt, or horror as it seeks to correct the follies and abuses it uncovers”.