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  The boy who has cried wolf - for nearly 140 years!

  by BoogerMan in

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  "when will this hope be fulfilled?

  the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.

  present world conditions match what the bible foretold.

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  After 140 years and numerous false dates, they still believe Armageddon is immanent.

  They have no shame saying things like:

  “That now-operating kingdom in heaven will, within the twentieth century, cleanse the entire earth of wickedness. ...

  Revelation 16:16 calls it the "war of the great day of God the Almighty," Armageddon. This war will come in the twentieth century. It will come right on schedule, as have the wars, food shortages, earthquakes and other events foretold. This generation will see its fulfillment." Awake! 1961 Feb 22 pp.5-8

  "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah 1971 p.216

  The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our twentieth century. (w1989 1/1 12)
  

  And Witnesses still think God is backing them. That's what you get for trusting the false promises of men.
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  The org's "new lights" - corrupting Proverbs 4:18

  by BoogerMan in

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  proverbs 4:18 says, "but the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.".

  the bible "light" doesn't get brighter - it never changes - it's a person's direction & course of life which gets brighter.. w11 9/15 p. 14 par.

  15 - "when spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying scriptural reasons for the adjustment?

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  Proverbs 4:18 says, "But the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter as the Faithful Slave gets ever increasing new light from Jehovah until full daylight."
  
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  Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would suggest:.

  the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

  the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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  @Duran

  Save mankind from what?

  Scripturally, as far as I understand, there are three aspects of spiritual salvation in the New Testament

  Salvation from:

  . a. sins Penalty – Ro.6:23, 5:1 called Justification (past, accomplished)

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  b. sins Power – I Cor.1:30, 6:11, Heb13:12 called Sanctification (progressive process)

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  c. sins Presence – Ro. 8:30, I Pe. 5:4 called Glorification (future heavenly hope) I Pe.1:3-4, Col.1:3-5

  Will any who lived and died before Jesus died, will any of them be resurrected?

  Since Christ died for all, the power of the cross to save sanctify and restore extends back to Adam and future into the next age. So yes, all in their graves will come forth, some to a resurrection of life and some to judgment as Jesus indicated.

  
  
  
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  Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would suggest:.

  the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

  the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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  @rattigan

  ((The reason that Jesus died was to fulfill the prophesies.))

  Certainly prophecy was fulfilled at the cross. But His death on Cavalry was an absolute necessity for our salvation. If there was any other way to save mankind, God would have answered Christ's Gethsemane prayer with 10 legions of angels.

  5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

  6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

  7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

  8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

  9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

  10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

  11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

  12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53

  
  

  Good to know our salvation wad never in jeopardy.
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  Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would suggest:.

  the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

  the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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  @rattigan

  ((What is there to personally know about Jesus?))

  What is there to know personally about Jehovah?

  Can a person legitimately say they know Jehovah if they have never communicated with Him?
  
  
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  Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

  the years i became pimo.

  a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

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  And I have the October 22, 1995 and November 22, 1995 Awake magazines also in pristine condition where the masthead was changed, the first containing the 1914 generation promise and the latter eliminating 1914 altogether.
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  Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would suggest:.

  the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

  the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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  Vanderhoven7

  It can't and it was not meant to be. The question mark was a cut & paste mistake.
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  Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would suggest:.

  the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

  the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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  Vanderhoven7

  It makes perfect sense Jeffro since the discussion centered solely on inspiration and that is the only aspect I was responding to.

  If I, like you, believed scripture was uninspired, I would not care what Joe Schmoe had to say or intended?

  I assumed nothing about your interest in historical and political contexts.
  
  
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  Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

  the years i became pimo.

  a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Glad you made it through the maze Gorb and that your family is together.
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  Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would suggest:.

  the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

  the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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  Vanderhoven7

  If I looked at scripture as you do Jeffro i would not care what Joe Shmoe had to say or intended?

  Of course I believe the entire Old Testament points to Jesus Christ, who is alive today and able to save to the uttermost all who call upon Him. So what the writer of Malachi and others have to say is of great concern to me. And of course I accept the interpretations of the writers of the New Testament as authoritative and so they are of great concern to me as well.