Posts by Vanderhoven7

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Aqwsed

Thank you for your lengthy response but it seems that the Catholics on the forum gave the impression that Muslims and their worship are acceptable to God.

"When the Second Vatican Council declared that Muslims “together with us adore the one, merciful God” (Lumen Gentium 16; Nostra Aetate 3) it was not capitulating to religious indifferentism, nor did it invent a new theology."

Does the Second Vatican Council make it clear to Muslims that there is no salvation period outside the Church and plainly state that monotheists who reject the Trinity and other Catholic dogma are dammed?

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@ Aqwsed

How critical is it to receive the sacraments, believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, and believe in the Trinity to be saved?

If I go by what these Catholics, say, it is not and neither is believing Jesus is the Son of God.

https://youtu.be/bqN6BcTg18A?si=9jzyuhhnJ5BVSj8Y

You guys don't seem to worry about Muslims, so what is the problem with JWs?

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

Vanderhoven7

The USA is pressing for a regime change in Iran, one that is less hostile to Israel.

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Vanderhoven7

I like this one.

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

Vanderhoven7

There will never be real peace between Israel and her neighbors including Iran. When they all kill each other, the bacteria will continue the battle.

https://youtu.be/GUnxlsM9cZw?si=HUECgS2DkXN1G3Z4

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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?

by Sea Breeze in

i don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.

the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.

they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.

Vanderhoven7

Muslims believe in Jesus, albeit a different Jesus than the New Testament presents.

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Babylon The Great

by EisMe in

babylon the great: a prophetic warning.

babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.

this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.

Vanderhoven7

Babylon The Great is Apostate Israel/Jerusalem

Summary of Evidence (from Bible Prophecy Site)
1. Jerusalem rules the nations through its commerce, especially lending money.

Deuteronomy 15:6 For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

2. Jerusalem kills the prophets and saints.

3. Jerusalem is the "great city" where Jesus was killed.

4. Jerusalem sits on 7 mountains.
5. Jerusalem is described as a whore in the Bible.
6. Jerusalem's priests wore purple, red, precious stones, and gold.
7. Jerusalem drinks the cup of wrath.
8. Jerusalem's lovers, the kings of the earth, turn on her to destroy her.
9. Jerusalem is called "Babylon" by Peter in 1 Peter 5:13

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Babylon The Great

by EisMe in

babylon the great: a prophetic warning.

babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.

this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.

Vanderhoven7

Wow! Beautiful version V!

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Babylon The Great

by EisMe in

babylon the great: a prophetic warning.

babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.

this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.

Vanderhoven7

Here is a great commentary by GAI

Although the identity of Babylon the Great and the "Harlot" or "Great Prostitute" in Revelation 17 is a subject of ongoing debate among biblical scholars and theologians, a significant body of thought, supported by various biblical arguments, points to apostate Israel, and specifically Jerusalem, as the Harlot.

Here's a breakdown of the evidence

1. Consistent Old Testament Imagery:

Harlotry as Idolatry: The Old Testament frequently uses the metaphor of "harlotry" or "adultery" to describe Israel's unfaithfulness to God through idolatry and pursuing alliances with other nations. Prophets like Hosea, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel extensively employ this imagery (e.g., Jeremiah 2:20-24; 3:2-3; Ezekiel 16:1-43; 23). This strong precedent suggests that when John uses "harlot" in Revelation, he is drawing on this established biblical motif to describe spiritual unfaithfulness.
Israel as God's Bride: In the Old Testament, Israel is often depicted as God's chosen bride, uniquely covenanted to Him. Her turning away to other gods is therefore seen as spiritual adultery, hence the "harlot" imagery. This covenant relationship makes the term "harlot" particularly fitting for Israel when she becomes unfaithful, as opposed to other nations who were never in such a covenant.

2. Parallels with Ezekiel 16 and 23:

Many scholars highlight the striking parallels between Revelation 17 and Ezekiel 16 and 23, which graphically describe Jerusalem's (and Samaria's) spiritual harlotry. The language and themes of prostitution, lavish adornment, and judgment for unfaithfulness are strongly echoed in Revelation.

3. "Drunk with the Blood of the Saints and Prophets" (Revelation 17:6):

This is a key verse for those who see Israel as the Harlot. Throughout biblical history, it was often Jerusalem and the Jewish leaders who persecuted and killed the prophets (e.g., Matthew 23:37-38; Luke 13:33-34). The early Christian persecution also originated significantly within Jewish communities who opposed the followers of Jesus. This aligns with the Harlot being "drunk with the blood of the saints and of the martyrs of Jesus."

4. "The Great City Where Our Lord Was Crucified" (Revelation 11:8):

While Revelation 17 explicitly calls the Harlot "Babylon the Great," Revelation 11:8 refers to "the great city where their Lord was crucified." This location is unequivocally Jerusalem. For some, this link suggests that the Harlot, while referred to as "Babylon" (a symbolic name for a persecuting power), ultimately represents Jerusalem in its apostate state.

5. Symbolic Meaning of "Babylon":

Those who argue for Israel as the Harlot often contend that "Babylon" in Revelation is not literal Babylon or even necessarily literal Rome, but a symbolic name for a corrupt religious and political system that opposes God and persecutes His people. Given Israel's historical role and eventual rejection of Messiah, some see Jerusalem as having become "Babylonian" in its spiritual character.

6. Scholarly Support:

Several biblical scholars and theologians, particularly those from a preterist or partial-preterist interpretive viewpoint, have argued for Jerusalem/apostate Israel as the Harlot. Some notable names include:

David Chilton (e.g., The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation)
J. Massyngberde Ford (Revelation in the Anchor Bible series)
Kenneth Gentry (e.g., Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation)
J. Stuart Russell (The Parousia: A Critical Inquiry into the New Testament Doctrine of Our Lord's Return)

Conclusion:

While the identification of the Harlot in Revelation varies among scholars, the arguments for apostate Israel/Jerusalem are compelling, primarily due to the consistent use of "harlotry" imagery for Israel in the Old Testament, the parallels with Ezekiel's prophecies, and the references to the blood of saints and prophets. Understanding this perspective requires a careful examination of biblical typology and the symbolic language of Revelation.

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Guess who's coming to dinner.. Elder and nosey wife!

by Witness 007 in

so my wife ran into a elder i new 10 years ago and invites him to dinner!!!!!

he arives and gives me a bear hug...love bombing!

he started talking about armegedon is really very very close.

Vanderhoven7

I bet they won't accept the next dinner invite.