Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Notable Watchtower Quotations

by Vanderhoven7 in

let's share some notable wts quotations that demonstrate the arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy etc.

of the watchtower leadership.

“‘zion’s watch tower’ has, we believe jehovah for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support.

Vanderhoven7

More gems

"We need to examine, not only what we personally believe

but also what is taught by any religious organization

with which we may be associated. Are its teachings

in full harmony with God's Word, or are they based on

the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth,

there is nothing to fear from such examination."

The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life, 1968, p. 13

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"If the message Jehovah's witnesses are bringing to

the people is true, then it is of the greatest

importance to mankind. If it is false, then it is

the duty of the clergymen and others who support them

to come boldly forward and plainly tell the people

wherein the message is false."

Golden Age, 1/18/33, p. 252

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"It is not religious persecution for an informed

person to expose publicly a certain religion as

thus allowing persons to see the difference

between false religion and true religion."

Watchtower, 11/15/63, p. 688

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"The Catholic Church occupies a very significant

position in the world and claims to be the way

of salvation for hundreds of millions of people

Any organization that assumes that position should

be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism.

All who criticize have the obligation to be

truthful in presenting the facts and fair and

objective in assessing such." Awake! 8/22/1984.

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Notable Watchtower Quotations

by Vanderhoven7 in

let's share some notable wts quotations that demonstrate the arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy etc.

of the watchtower leadership.

“‘zion’s watch tower’ has, we believe jehovah for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support.

Vanderhoven7

Let's share some notable WTS quotations that demonstrate the arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy etc. of the Watchtower leadership.

“‘Zion’s Watch Tower’ has, we believe JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: ‘All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,’ fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication.” The second issue of the Watch Tower, August 1879

“Organized religion seems to be able to survive only with sizable financial support. How is the necessary money to be found?...Most likely you agree that giving should be part of Christian worship. However, do you find insistent appeals for money disturbing, perhaps even offensive? Brazilian theologian Inácio Strieder observes that “unemployed people, widows, slum dwellers, and those who are incapable of critical thinking conclude that...they are obliged to give so much to ‘the preacher’ that their own families go hungry.” You may wonder: ‘...could some religions be invoking the fear of God to fleece the flock? Really, does God expect us to give until it hurts, as some would say?’ Watchtower Dec. 1, 2002 p.3 (but ice-cream money doesn't hurt, does it?)

"Never would we want to be like the Pharisees, who resented those who questioned them and persecuted those who expressed an opinion contrary to their own.?—Mark 3:1-6; John 9:29-34." Watchtower September 2019

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dump google

by phoenixrising in

i have noticed as of late that google searches are heavily filtering searches and shopping.

i know they keep track and monitor your activity but when i can not find things or articles because they don't fit googles bs naritive its time to leave.

duck duck go is my replacement.

Vanderhoven7

My son has converted to Bing and sings its' praises.

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dump google

by phoenixrising in

i have noticed as of late that google searches are heavily filtering searches and shopping.

i know they keep track and monitor your activity but when i can not find things or articles because they don't fit googles bs naritive its time to leave.

duck duck go is my replacement.

Vanderhoven7

What about BING?

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How Do JWs View The Bible?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some questions to ask visiting jws to help them realize their faith is not in the bible, but in men.. questions about how you view the bible.. 1. do you view the bible as the inspired word of god?

(ii tim.3:16).

2. do you believe the bible is written for everyone?

Vanderhoven7

To be fair, the point of this thread is not whether the Bible is inspired or not regardless of which version is being considered. The point is that the Bible is touted as the authority for the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses when it is clearly not.

This for me is the focal point on which I base my criticism of the unique beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses. I have no qualms about informing Witnesses that their religion is not biblical and that instead of trusting the Bible, they are trusting men and their unjustifiable interpretations.

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How Do JWs View The Bible?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some questions to ask visiting jws to help them realize their faith is not in the bible, but in men.. questions about how you view the bible.. 1. do you view the bible as the inspired word of god?

(ii tim.3:16).

2. do you believe the bible is written for everyone?

Vanderhoven7

I would imagine that Pastor Russell would say what all Jehovah's Witnesses would say today, that the Bible is the truth, that their religion is in fact Bible based and that the Bible is the authority for their doctrine.

However Bible-based actually means nothing significant and the claim that it is the authority for their doctrine is demonstrably false. In reality very doctrine which is unique to Jehovah's Witnesses is extra-biblical; established solely by eisegesis sprinkled with theories and speculations that are beyond what is written.

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How Do JWs View The Bible?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some questions to ask visiting jws to help them realize their faith is not in the bible, but in men.. questions about how you view the bible.. 1. do you view the bible as the inspired word of god?

(ii tim.3:16).

2. do you believe the bible is written for everyone?

Vanderhoven7

@ Truth be Known,

<<Why do Jehovah's Witnesses agree with Martin Luther by removing books of the Bible cannon, but reject Luther's teachings of salvation through faith and grace alone?>>

Precisely because the Bible (Catholic or Protestant version) is not their authority.... as the questions are designed to bring out.

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How Do JWs View The Bible?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some questions to ask visiting jws to help them realize their faith is not in the bible, but in men.. questions about how you view the bible.. 1. do you view the bible as the inspired word of god?

(ii tim.3:16).

2. do you believe the bible is written for everyone?

Vanderhoven7

Here are some questions to ask visiting JWs to help them realize their faith is not in the Bible, but in men.

QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU VIEW THE BIBLE.

1. Do you view the Bible as the inspired word of God? (II Tim.3:16)

2. Do you believe the Bible is written for everyone? (to read and study)

3. Do you believe that someone who only has the Bible can read it and be saved?

4. Do you believe your religion is clearly found in the Bible?

5. Could someone studying the Bible alone come up with exactly what you believe?

6. What role does the Bible play in determining your religious beliefs?

7. Do you believe that your faith is primarily in the Bible or is it in your religious leaders and their interpretations of the Bible?

8. Could there be a discrepancy between what your religion teaches and what the Bible teaches? Has there ever been?

9. If you discovered a discrepancy between what the Bible says and what your religion teaches, which one would you believe?

10. Would doctrinal modifications made by your religious leaders always act as a corrective to change what you believe the Bible teaches?

11. Could the Bible ever act as a corrective to change your beliefs contrary to what your religion teaches?

12. If a person puts his complete trust in a Bible scholar, with an “if he says it, I believe it” attitude, would his primary faith be in the Bible or the scholar?

13. Do you believe that your religious leaders alone have the right and ability to to interpret the Bible for true believers?

14. Where do your leaders get new information as to what the Bible teaches? (Bible itself? Angelic guidance? heavenly saints? Holy Spirit's leading?)

15. How do your leaders decide on which doctrinal changes to adopt? Do they sometimes vote changes in?

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Jehovah’s Witnesses Reject Plasma Injections for COVID-19

by Rattigan350 in

jehovah’s witnesses reject plasma injections for covid-19.

https://www.newsintervention.com/jehovahs-witnesses-reject-plasma-injections-covid-19/.

the jehovah’s witnesses have issues with modern medical information because this is seen as against the tenets of the religious faith.

Vanderhoven7

Apparently plasma is considered one of the four main components of blood which divine law prohibits..... despite the fact that every element of plasma, including water, albumin proteins etc. are on the Watchtower acceptable list.

Make sense of that.

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False prophets with other religions

by lostsheep82 in

i remember when i was young an article we studied that stated something to the effect that, religions or other people have at times set dates or tried to set dates using chronology but that those were deemed false prophets.... can anyone point me to any or multiple articles or quotes that can help me in my fight with my parents?

i'm battling the 1914 generation change at the moment.

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Vanderhoven7

Having trouble posting a JPG

The Watchtower Oct. 15, 1958, p.613

"Sometime between April 15 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched." So prophesied a certain California Pastor Mibran Ask, in January 1957. Such false prophets tend to put the subject of Armageddon in disrepute.