Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Hypothetical Bible question for Christians
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
although not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.

reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.
Vanderhoven7

As I see it, God is omniscient. He made Adam perfectly sinless and capable of love, but ignorant of evil. So, God's image was not fully formed and could not be without the knowledge and experience of sin and evil. God is still forming the image of Christ in man by the redemptive work of Christ and the presence and work of the Holy Spirit.
It seems that God let Satan into the garden for a purpose. It was not a test. Man was bound to fail. Christ was bound to be crucified. It was the divine intention. He foreknew it all and still went ahead with creation.
I can't see any other possibility.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Diogenesister,
Just to be clear, I don't expect JWs to defend their faith. I hope they do give it a go, but I won't badger them if they don't. And I won't follow them around trying to goad them into discussions on subjects I know they are not interested in or that are unrelated to the OP. If I wanted to discuss Atheism or naturalism or evolution, I would start a thread or join in someone else's.
It's wonderful to be on a forum where people are free to talk about what they want to talk about without feeling pressure to cave into other people's agendas.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Fisherman,
Hmmm... surprising support from an unlikely corner.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Earnest
So far, my interests lie in discussing specific gospel or salvation issues with those in groups such as Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Bahai. That's about it.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Diogenesister
I choose not to discuss faith issues with Atheists. You are free to discuss anything you wish with whomever you wish...and I promise I won't get on your case.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Earnest
Do you feel that people on this forum should be compelled to discuss subjects they do not want to discuss ....or should they be free to discuss subjects they wish to discuss with whomever they wish to discuss them?
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@DJW I am not interested in discussing faith issues with someone who distains Christian faith. Do have a nice day.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
Vanderhoven7

@Fisherman How are you keeping? Haven't heard from you in a couple of days.
@DWJ In case you haven't noticed this thread is about the generation which will not pass away.
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What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?
by truth_b_known in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.

jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".

those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".
Vanderhoven7

Well contrary to Watchtower understanding , Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 8:10-11 When Jesus heard it, he marveled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Hebrews 11: 9-10, 13-16 9 By faith he (Abraham) sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.... 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
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Do you pray?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..
Vanderhoven7

Sorry Waton,
I responded to you thinking you were Fisherman.
You're avatars are virtually identical.