examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.
know ye not your own selves, how that jesus christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
- 2 cor.
Hi Smiles,
I don't see believers needing to summon Jesus to do what He says He will do. This is gospel and Christians are united in believing what Jesus says and accomplished. I was listening this morning, to a wonderful rendition of, "My Faith Has Found a Resting Place"; the chorus of which goes like this.
I need no other argument
I need no other plea,
It is enough that Jesus died,
And that He died for me.
examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.
know ye not your own selves, how that jesus christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
- 2 cor.
Now i understand why you don't believe that Jesus can be in two places at once- in the heart of all believers and guiding their fellowship whenever they meet together in His name....and that's because you don't believe He exists.
OK.
examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.
know ye not your own selves, how that jesus christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
- 2 cor.
Smiles
Do you believe that Jesus is really there in the midst of multiple believers meeting in His name?
or perhaps i'm doing something wrong?
oftentimes if i try to quote someone so that it's highlighted in yellow, after i submit my comments, the quote remains but my comments are gone.
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Hi Betty,
Or perhaps i'm doing something wrong?
I find the best way to use the quote function is after you complete your post. Then go to the quoted parts, highlight them and then click on the quote function. That way you will not lose anything.
i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
And the Self-righteous will stand before Jesus on that day saying.
Did we not travel land and sea to make one disciple? Did we not tithe, did we not warn the sinners to repent? Did we not start many Bible Studies? We did many wonderful works. OK we did not establish any orphanages and such because we had a more important task of making Jehovah’s name known among the nations.
Jesus will reply, "Don't you know what makes my Father's name known?" You counted on your works to save yourselves...as if I owed you salvation for your efforts. If you had loved me, you would have built orphanages, you would have rescued widows and the homeless..... These are the things that my sheep do becsause they love me and follow me...not to save themselves but because I live in them and express my love through them.
My sheep know that it is only by grace that they are saved, forgiven and promised eternal life. Salvation is not by works of righteousness that they have done, but by my mercy alone through the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost which I have shed upon them abundantly.
Take your filthy rag works and depart from me you self righteous ones into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his demons."
i thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?
or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?
I believe Babylon is the great city where Christ was crucified which presupposes an early date for the writing of Revelation.
i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".
however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.
your thoughts....
Excellent points Blue and Joao. I believe some serious Theocratic warfare is going on.... not only because of the claim that their chronology is not doctrine, but that any elder would recommend baptism to someone who rejects the definition of the Faithful Slave.
i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".
however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.
your thoughts....
Listener
Yes great additions. Of course we know that 8:million Jehovah's Witnesses would fail to answer those questions in the affirmative.
i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".
however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.
your thoughts....
Fisherman, that is helpful.
Dropoff- excellent point that I totally missed. Thanks.
i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".
however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.
your thoughts....
Here is a conversation I am having at the moment.
B: All that we have taught is based on the Bible except for the idea that the great pyramid.
V: Bible based does not necessarily equate with biblical.
B: Prophecy to us is quite different to doctrine.
V: Doctrine based on prophecy is still doctrine. Christ’s 1874 and 1914 parousia was and is respectively based on interpretation of prophecy.
B: An exact explanation of prophecy are not necessary for salvation.
V: Will your organization baptize someone who doesn’t believe in the 1914 second presence doctrine?
B: Yes a person can be baptized if they don’t understand the reasons as to how 1914 was arrived at. It have no bearing on salvation. “
V: I’m talking about a person who rejects that Christ presence began in 1914. And he also doesn’t believe in the alleged 1918 rejection of Christendom and 1919 appointment of the Faithful Slave either…because dates are not important; they may change and they have nothing to do with baptism or salvation. So are you saying Jehovah’s Witnesses would offer Christian baptism to this person?
B: If a person has a different point of view from what ever evidence they have yes that can still be baptized as long as they don’t try to teach their different point of view.
