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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Amen Iriddle80

  That is the hearing, then seeing pattern found throughout Revelation.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  • Gerrit Lösch would face a disciplinary hearing if caught reading "Crisis of Conscience" and disfellowshipped for reading "In Search of Christian Freedom."
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  People should definitively stop asking Jehovah's Witnesses questions they can't answer; at least that they can't answer scripturally. It might just wake them up to the fact that their religion is not biblical i.e., that every doctrine that is unique to Jehovah's Witness is extra-biblical.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  What new light from Jehovah did you find hard to swallow?

  The conversations in the attached video are enlightening. The graphic is hilarious.

  https://youtu.be/bYJ3ZRPbUVg
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Guys,

  Didn't think this would develop into a thread about Trinity. I was hoping it would be about the distinctions between the Watchtower gospeland that of Paul's.

  It seems to me that the gospel that Jehovah's Witnesses preach is very distinct from Paul's gospel in terms of:

  a. message content,

  b. nature of salvation

  c benefits of salvation

  d. means of salvation
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  I think the OP bears repeating. Do vs done .
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  WT Style Pacificism

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  episode 203 of netflix ... i am a killer looks at the murder of christopher chavez in texas.

  christopher chavez was a 22 year old ministerial servant and a born-in son of an jw elder.

  after a thursday night meeting and a quick bite to eat afterwards with friends at a local restaurant, he was kidnapped, taken to a gas station and forced to drive his killers around for hours while they were in the back seat.

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  Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses won't carry guns, but they will quickly call on those who do to come to their rescue.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  Fisherman

  There was nothing salvific about believing in 1874, nor is there anything salvific about believing in 1914.

  What is salvific is knowing the Father and the Son through repentance and faith.

  People were saved and sanctified long before Watchtower came up with 1874 and 1914.

  Neither do we serve God by believing in a date.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  Fisherman

  Luke 21:24,Rev 12:7-10,Dan 4:25 are all referring to the year 1914, the year Jesus began ruling as king—as JW see it and JW are required to agree with the belief. If you don’t, you are not a JW and if you are not a JW you are not a Christian.

  Poor Charlie Russell was not a Christian then since he believed Christ began ruling in 1878.

  Actually these verses teach that you can't be a Christian if you don't believe Christ's invisible presence began in 1934.

  So all JWs are not Christians.

  Unfortunately, only those who believe in 1934 will survive Armageddon.

  There is no zero AD year and that year needed to be factored in which at first they didn’t realize it.

  Yes and that's why 606 was changed to 607 to maintain the erroneous 1914 date.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  Fisherman

  What Bible verse makes you say dates are important for Christians to believe? I'm not sure but I think it was 606 that was changed to 607 because of the zero year to maintain the 1914 date. They pulled 1918 and 1919 and 1925 out of their hats and later they changed the date of the first resurrection from 1888 to 1918 and then to sometime before 1935 but still possibly 1918.

  It is wrong to conclude that Jehovah's Witnesses believe the same things. They can differ on things the WTS decides are conscience matters. So why not make these dates conscience matters as well and only insist on uniformity when it comes to essential matters.

  BTW I'd like your reaction to the AZ video I posted this morning.