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  My defense speech before the judicial committee

  by Disfellowshipped-Brother in

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  dear brothers!.

  we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.

  it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.

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  @Disfellowshipped-Brother

  <<I have started to understand my Bible! I read it more than ever, and now it truly has a positive impact on my life!>>

  Glad to hear you didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
  
  
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  Unbelief and Salvation

  by lriddle80 in

  1. watchtower
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  hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

  7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

  8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

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  Reminds me of the time Ned Flanders had a nervous breakdown. He asked God - why, since he believed everything the Bible says...even the parts that contradict the other parts.

  My take is that people can kick a hole in the ark if they want. Contrary to Reformed Theology, free will got us in and free will can take us out.

  However, nothing external to ourselves can separate us from the love of God in Christ. Romans 8:39
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  My defense speech before the judicial committee

  by Disfellowshipped-Brother in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  dear brothers!.

  we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.

  it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.

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  Vanderhoven7

  It seems that Disfellowshipped-Brother has left the building. He may have initially thought this was a WTS recognized site.
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  Justification

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the..."other sheep...are...not even justified".

  - wt 1938 pg.

  jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.

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  Yes, ask them first if they have peace with God?

  They will answer yes, they have the peace of God.

  That's not what I'm asking...then turn to Roman's 5:1 (I.e. peace with God because of justification)

  Then verse 9
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  My defense speech before the judicial committee

  by Disfellowshipped-Brother in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  dear brothers!.

  we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.

  it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Disfellowshipped-brother

  Welcome to the forum!

  "Romans 8:28"

  Perhaps your being disfellowshipped is a part of the fulfillment of Romans 8:28 in your case. If you love Jehovah and His Son Jesus then you have eternal life with or without the approval of men in your congregation who are not led by the Spirit of Christ. John 17:3

  Please hang around this forum for a while and get a better picture of what free exchange is all about.
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  How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

  "do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

  when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

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  How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

  "do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

  when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

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  Excellent additions JWGB!
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  How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

  "do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

  when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

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  There is no such thing as the right or one true religion. No doubt some churches have more truth than others, but JWs are missing the boat totally.
  

  Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ which Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden to have. They cannot address their Michael the archangel to say, "Thank you for saving me and forgiving all of my sins!" first of all because they are not saved (which they admit) and secondly because their Jesus is not entitled to direct communication.
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  How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

  "do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

  when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

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  Some good ones to add to the list.

  "When your own literature becomes your worst enemy"
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  How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

  "do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

  when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

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  Vanderhoven7

  I believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.

  You know you are in the wrong religion:
  
  1. when the all important question is not: "Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ?"....but...."Do you believe in the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" appointed in Brooklyn in 1919?"
  
  2. when you will be refused baptism if:
  
  a. you don't believe Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BC (whereas all non-JW scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 BC.)
  
  b. you, like Cornelius, are a member of the military.
  
  c. you, like Daniel, Joseph and the Ethiopian eunuch hold political office.
  
  d. you don't believe the apostles went door-to-door and that Christians are required to do the same.
  
  e. you believe that the majority of Christians running around today are not part of the New Covenant, do not have a heavenly hope, and are not Spirit-begotten or born again.
  
  f. you don't believe that finding and serving in the right organization (the one with headquarters formerly in Brooklyn, now in Columbia Heights ) is necessary to escape eternal destruction at Armageddon.
  
  
  3. when window-washing, JC Penny suit-wearing elders insist that THEY carry out and handle cases of child abuse and NOT the trained authorities.
  
  4. when your organization holds NGO status in the Wild Beast of Revelation for close to 10 years running.
  
  5. when your leaders have a 100% failure rate interpreting biblical prophecy...except of course when it comes to invisible stuff.

  6. when you have to surrender your conscience to men.

  7. when independent thinking is labeled as sin.

  8. when you are to encourage everyone else to question their religion, but are forbidden to question your own.

  9. when you are told not to look into the past history, or failed predictions because that would not be " encouraging ".

  10. when your religion enforces medical quackery such as forbidding vaccinations or organ transplants.

  11. when you are forbidden to celebrate birthdays because thousands of years ago, someone died at a birthday party.
  
  12. when you are constantly told to wait on Jehovah for answers to your scriptural questions and doubts.

  13. when child victims have to jump through hoops to expose a pedophile
  
  14. when you have shunned your own children for the last 25+ years.
  
  15. when you just had to suppress the thought that you might be in the wrong religion.
  
  16. when the youngest of the final generation are over 107 years old.
  
  17. when you are denied life saving medical treatments.

  18. when you are taught to distrust your own thoughts.

  19. when you were told you didn't need college because you would not have time for a career in this system and now you a card carrying member of AARP.

  20. when you can't figure out the current teachings on which 'fractions of fractions of fractions of blood' are acceptable to Jehovah.
  
  21. when you find out that you and your wife made love in the wrong way.
  
  22. when all your friends stop speaking to you because you visit web sites critical of the Watchtower
  
  23. when you will be disfellowshipped (spiritually executed) if
  
  a. you don't agree that rejecting the authority men in Warwick is worthy of excommunication and shunning ex-JW family members.
  
  b. you verbalize disagreement with any doctrinal position or change handed down from the current governing body in New York.
  
  c. you engage in any behavior that could be labeled as "brazen", and you refuse to "repent" when called before a kangaroo court.
  
  d. you allow your child to have a blood transfusion to save his or her life.
  
  24. when you casually say "i don't think the governing body is the true channel" the room gets quiet they all look at you pointing and screaming your cover is blown the alien controlled humans are chasing you the last remaining human who still has a human brain.

  
  25. when you see the words "Jehovah" and "Witness" juxtaposed.