What is really frightening about requests for reinstatement being denied, is not only a continuation of family shunning, but also belief that God is also in rejection mode. This is the double curse of putting faith in men for salvation.
Vanderhoven7
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Treatment of Those Trying For Reinstatement
by Vanderhoven7 inwhat happens when a jehovah’s witness who has been disfellowshipped returns to attending the meetings again?.
mark jones writes:.
if it's the same congregation that they previously attended then, yes, the congregation will remember who they are and so continue to treat them as dead or invisible.. one of the identifying marks a cult is that it uses shame and humiliation to control members, to keep them from leaving and manipulating those who escaped into coming back.. a disfellowshipped person is never allowed to quietly leave with dignity.
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Did God know Adam and Eve will Sin? - JW perspective
by bioflex ini read about this topic sometime ago in one awake mag (cant rememer which one).
and from the jw perspective, he didnt know which means it took him by suprise or which makes it seem god is not as almighty as we would believe.
this is their reasoning.. http://www.watchtower.org/e/20110101a/article_01.htm.
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Vanderhoven7
My take is that God was not finished creating man in His image and He needed us to battle evil and overcome it to accomplish His plan.
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Treatment of Those Trying For Reinstatement
by Vanderhoven7 inwhat happens when a jehovah’s witness who has been disfellowshipped returns to attending the meetings again?.
mark jones writes:.
if it's the same congregation that they previously attended then, yes, the congregation will remember who they are and so continue to treat them as dead or invisible.. one of the identifying marks a cult is that it uses shame and humiliation to control members, to keep them from leaving and manipulating those who escaped into coming back.. a disfellowshipped person is never allowed to quietly leave with dignity.
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What happens when a Jehovah’s Witness who has been disfellowshipped returns to attending the meetings again?
Mark Jones writes:If it's the same congregation that they previously attended then, yes, the congregation will remember who they are and so continue to treat them as dead or invisible.
One of the identifying marks a cult is that it uses shame and humiliation to control members, to keep them from leaving and manipulating those who escaped into coming back.
A disfellowshipped person is never allowed to quietly leave with dignity. Instead they’re actually announced from the platform to the entire congregation. Members understand that they’re now not allowed to acknowledge the person - even if its their own mother, child or sibling.
Just like in totalitarian dictatorships where a person who falls out of grace with Stalin or Kim Jong Un is displayed in front of everyone in a show trial.
Trying to attend another congregation where nobody knows you won't work either. Because the cult actually keeps files on its members, and if you turn up to a Kingdom Hall and claim to be a member the elders request your previous congregation to send them your file.
Your file contains information about you, how many hours you’ve spent knocking on doors, the “sins” you’ve committed, how many show trials (known a “judicial committee”) you’ve been subjected to and much more.
You know, like a cult?
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Tony Morris in jail!
by BoogerMan inthe voices are excellent.
(or is ai being used?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvoy4tvubf4&t=208s.
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Vanderhoven7
Not a bad impression of Tony's voice. Perhaps a little slower would help.
Stephen Let would have to practice exaggerating his mouth movements to sound more authentic.
I'm looking forward to the sequels.
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Unbelief and Salvation
by lriddle80 inhebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.
8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.
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Vanderhoven7
I like your tenacious Spirit Lori.
Your testimony reminded me of a bumper sticker my Dad had on his car. It said "After Religion, Try Jesus "
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My defense speech before the judicial committee
by Disfellowshipped-Brother indear brothers!.
we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.
it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.
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Vanderhoven7
@Disfellowshipped-Brother
<<I have started to understand my Bible! I read it more than ever, and now it truly has a positive impact on my life!>>
Glad to hear you didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Unbelief and Salvation
by lriddle80 inhebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.
8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.
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Vanderhoven7
Reminds me of the time Ned Flanders had a nervous breakdown. He asked God - why, since he believed everything the Bible says...even the parts that contradict the other parts.
My take is that people can kick a hole in the ark if they want. Contrary to Reformed Theology, free will got us in and free will can take us out.
However, nothing external to ourselves can separate us from the love of God in Christ. Romans 8:39
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My defense speech before the judicial committee
by Disfellowshipped-Brother indear brothers!.
we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.
it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.
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Vanderhoven7
It seems that Disfellowshipped-Brother has left the building. He may have initially thought this was a WTS recognized site.
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Justification
by Sea Breeze inthe..."other sheep...are...not even justified".
- wt 1938 pg.
jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.
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Vanderhoven7
Yes, ask them first if they have peace with God?
They will answer yes, they have the peace of God.
That's not what I'm asking...then turn to Roman's 5:1 (I.e. peace with God because of justification)
Then verse 9
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My defense speech before the judicial committee
by Disfellowshipped-Brother indear brothers!.
we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.
it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Disfellowshipped-brother
Welcome to the forum!
"Romans 8:28"
Perhaps your being disfellowshipped is a part of the fulfillment of Romans 8:28 in your case. If you love Jehovah and His Son Jesus then you have eternal life with or without the approval of men in your congregation who are not led by the Spirit of Christ. John 17:3
Please hang around this forum for a while and get a better picture of what free exchange is all about.
