Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

by TheScientist in

this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

Vanderhoven7

A message to the rank and file:

No one can leave Jehovah's Witnesses with their reputation intact.

Once a Jehovah's Witness, you had better stay a Jehovah's Witness or you will lose your family and friends and be shunned till your death unless you come crawling back to the organization pretending you believe their nonsense again.

Worldly governments are being alerted to this fact and will turn on the organization for it's uncharitable treatment of former members and withdraw financial support and taxation benefits.

And the GB have the nerve to call this bullying behavior a loving provision. Even the world, every democratic society can see the shunning of former members as cruelty.

Jehovah's Witnesses, this controlling behavior will come to an end real soon. The faithful slave will suddenly get new light from Jehovah in the very near future telling you not to shun people who leave the religion since they are no longer viewed as “Christians” and Christians are not instructed to shun non-Christians.

And of course there will be no apologies made

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Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness

by Ron.W. in

a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.

elder: 'yes.

i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!

Vanderhoven7

Grant Davies contribution:

All the historical evidence points to 587 BCE as being the destruction of Jerusalem.

We all have access to a copy of “Shepherd the flock of God” book; it’s not secret.

My child decided to disassociate but it’s their decision and I won’t shun them.

My wife can wear trousers to the meeting if she wants.

Do you like my tattoo?

I don’t only stand at a cart; I do real charity work.

I’ve always been able to wear a beard with no problems.

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55 Year Cycle shows up in March 2024 Watchtower

by was a new boy in

did they hope that everybody who read the1969 awake as a kid is too senile to remember?.

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Vanderhoven7

Ding wrote: What those now dead WT authors wrote proves conclusively that the WT religion is not the truth. Should we ignore that?

You: i must be missing something here.

Perhaps the sarcasm?

The resurrection of the anointed Christians, who number 144,000, is to spirit life in heaven and it began to occur in 1918 C.E., after the establishment of the heavenly Kingdom in 1914.“ WT June 1, 1970 p. 331 "Faith to the Preserving Alive of the Soul”

“In 1918 he (the apostle Peter) was resurrected to the heavens along with the other faithful members of Christ’s congregation who had died prior to that time. “(WT February 15, 1966 p. 123 “Does Peter Now Use the Keys of the Kingdom?”

“Those who died prior to the establishment of the Kingdom were resurrected at the time of Jehovah's coming to the temple with his messenger of the covenant in 1918.” WT 67 8/1 p. 455 A New Administration of Earth's Affairs

“The Watchtower has long presented the view that this resurrection of anointed Christians from death commenced in the year 1918.” WT 86 10/1 p. 14 Comfort From the God of Peace

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Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness

by Ron.W. in

a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.

elder: 'yes.

i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!

Vanderhoven7

"Of course Trinitarians can be Christians."

"Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins!"

"Happy birthday son!"

"Of course we are brainwashed; after all we are in a cult"

BTW Meals on Wheels is priceless NF.

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55 Year Cycle shows up in March 2024 Watchtower

by was a new boy in

did they hope that everybody who read the1969 awake as a kid is too senile to remember?.

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Vanderhoven7

@Ding

Remember though that the writers of the New Testament were raised to heavenly life in 1918 and may have even actually helped the writers of the May 22, 1969 Awake article with the finer details.

I graduated from high school in 1968 and went on to college while a bright fellow graduate told me that there would not be enough time left in this system to develop a career and that I'd better become a JW by 1975 or I would be destroyed. I told him he would wake up in 1976 with egg all over his face. What a waste!

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Door to Door Witnessing Anxiety

by NotFormer in

it's not only the jws who do door to door witnessing.

the independent baptists for the most part have "soul winning", mainly door to door witnessing and leaving tracts, as a tennet of their faith.

this discussion is interesting:.

Vanderhoven7

There is no real support for the idea that early Christians went door to door.

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EasyPrompt Found

by Vanderhoven7 in

some have been asking about easyprompt.. hey, i just bumped into her on quora and wished her a merry christmas.. she asked me to send you all her love.. i promised i would.. vander.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Stan,

Good question.

I don't know if she will be back but I do hope so. I like the fact that she speaks her mind and is not afraid of disagreement.

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EasyPrompt Found

by Vanderhoven7 in

some have been asking about easyprompt.. hey, i just bumped into her on quora and wished her a merry christmas.. she asked me to send you all her love.. i promised i would.. vander.

Vanderhoven7

Some have been asking about EasyPrompt.

Hey, I just bumped into her on Quora and wished her a Merry Christmas.

She asked me to send you all her love.

I promised I would.

Vander

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In the spirit of Christmas

by no-zombie in

on this auspicious day, i'd like to propose a question (half in fun and the other half not) to ask, ... if the governing body reviewed the origins of christmas and now proclaimed that it was now a matter of conscience, how many of the brotherhood would pick it up and start practicing it?.

for me, i think that very, very few would take issue of the change and disassociate themselves.

yes, many would question it in their minds for a while but since it would be a governing body sanctioned holiday, i think a very surprising large number would do so with zeal ... particularly in europe, were it still has wholesome family traditions.

Vanderhoven7

MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL!!!

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Interpretation of Acts 15:28,29

by Christianhonest in

what does the mandate to "abstain from blood" mean for jehovah's witnesses freed from the control of the governing body?.

it had previously been understood that the best translation of acts 15: 28-30 was "to abstain from blood.

" however, a careful analysis of the passage shows that the best translation of this passage is "to abstain from (shedding) blood," where the word "pour out," which does not appear in ancient manuscripts and other biblical versions, does.it appears there understood in elliptical form.in the same way it happened in the case of colossians 1: 16-20 where the new world translation of the holy scriptures correctly inserted the word "other" several times, understood there in elliptical form, in the phrase of the original greek "all things ", thus obtaining the correct translation" all (other) things ".even though christianity reaffirms itself in translating this passage as saying that "through him all things were created", because he maintains that jesus is god according to his pagan doctrine of the trinity, multiple biblical passages sustainthe biblical truth that jesus is not jehovah god, but his beloved son that god later used as his creative partner.according to this paul said that "though he existed in the form of god, he did not give consideration to a usurpation, namely, that he should be equal to god, no, rather, he emptied himself and took the form of a slave and he came to be in the likeness of men, more than that, when he was in the manner of a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death, yes, death on a torture stake, for this same reason, also, god he exalted a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above all else, so that in jesus' name every knee of those [who are] in heaven and those who are [over] the earth and those [who are] under the ground, and openly recognize * every tongue that jesus christ is lord for the glory of god the father.

Vanderhoven7

The Bible is clear on this subject. See Acts 15.

No - on the four major components

No storing of blood

No blood removed from the body can be returned... unless returned to the body via an uninterrupted continous flow

Blood must be poured out immediately unless it is gathered into small tubesfor testing.