@slim... you got it. Enjoy!
MeanMrMustard
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MeanMrMustard
It's not a man...
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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity
by Longlivetherenegades inthose who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .
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2. jesus .
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MeanMrMustard
No. There is nothing that the trinitarians can do to prove it. What they use are weak and irrelevant arguments from scriptures that are spurious and controversial. They just have their pet scriptures, but when examined they don't work.
And they will say the same about you.
Both sides have different fundamental ideas about what it means to be "a son" of anything. To you, it implies separateness. To them, continuity of nature.
What does it mean to be a man? To you it means something physical - which is the opposite of God, which is spirit. To them, the physical is only one part, and that doesn't contradict the being spirit at the same time.
For them, to be "man" implies a set of characteristics that make you a member of the category "man". Likewise there is a set of attributes and abilities that can only put you into the category of "God". To you, "God" isn't even a category, but a singular thing.
For you, "spirit" is not unlike "the nature" of certain creatures, even God. To them, "the nature" of something is much more than "spirit" and, again, implies "category".
I could go on and on... just look at the word "death" a few posts back.
These threads end up in these cycles because you are speaking right past each other. Both sides operate with radically different definitions of just about every word that matters on this topic. That is why both sides can quote the same scripture, the exact same one, and yet both sides will act like it soundly ended the debate.
Meanwhile, the patient continues to bleed.....
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MeanMrMustard
Yes.
Try focusing at the center, and move back from the image. Or squint a lil bit.
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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity
by Longlivetherenegades inthose who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .
1. father .
2. jesus .
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MeanMrMustard
@Anony Mous:
Just for the record, I'm an atheist.
I am an atheist, former theist, participating on a thread with a title proclaiming the unending arguments about the Trinity are fruitless, all the while attempting to bear some fruit.
I'm outside looking in, with no dog in the fight, so-to-speak, offering a viewpoint from the outside. It seems that the never ending arguments over the Trinity are like two doctors arguing over the best treatment for a patient. One says the cut on his arm should be fixed first, the other says the cut on his leg should be treated first. Meanwhile the patient is bleeding out due a large stab wound to the chest.
And maybe, just maybe, if we can recognize that the issue of the Trinity, whichever side is correct, is a smaller issue than it's made out to be, then there will be at least some fruit from at least one thread on the internet about the Trinity.
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Trump wins
by gavindlt ini am non political and have never voted but nonetheless i have been keenly watching to see how the trump presidential race unfolds.
i believe that his involvement in propelling or influencing a leaning toward bible prophecy will unfold.
how, i can’t say but something tells me that this anomaly and outlier being trump is highly signifiant!
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MeanMrMustard
Let's go!
Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments.
Pass a balanced budget amendment.
That would be a good start.
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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity
by Longlivetherenegades inthose who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .
1. father .
2. jesus .
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MeanMrMustard
@Anony Mous:
See, now there is a link on the thread detailing how, in fact, the Trinitarian side is pagan, and by default non-Christian.
If someone believes in Jesus, repents, and believes in the resurrection - and that person is saved, isn't that person a Christian? If your Lord and savior Jesus Christ saves someone, wouldn't THAT be the definition of Christian?
Also, at that point, any doctrine or teaching not required to bring someone to that state seems to be of secondary importance. That's not saying it's unimportant - just not fundamental. The Nicene Creed is not the way to salvation. But neither is its rejection.
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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity
by Longlivetherenegades inthose who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .
1. father .
2. jesus .
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MeanMrMustard
@SeaBreeze:
It's funny how I've heard the exact same thing from non-Trinitarians.
But again, by your experience, salvation is not dependent on understanding the inner workings / nature of God. So if someone can never come to terms with a Trinitarian God, that is, it honestly doesn't make sense to them, then would God pull away salvation?
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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity
by Longlivetherenegades inthose who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .
1. father .
2. jesus .
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MeanMrMustard
Well for one thing, without divinity, Jesus would have been a liar when he said that he would resurrect himself from the dead. I face plenty of liars in my line of work; don't need another one in my life.
Ok. But the non-Trinitarians have a different way of reading those scriptures, and because human language can be quite subjective, their reading is plausible too, and in their view, Jesus is also not a liar.
My question is - why is this issue such contentious such that both sides wish to revoke the title of "Christian" from the other, including salvation with it?