In my 35 years or so in the cult, I never carried mine... everytime they gave out new ones, I'd throw mine out as soon as I got home after the meeting... I always felt that Jehovah would forgive me if I ever took a blood transfusion (which thankfully I've never had to)... I've always found the whole thing completely ridiculous... I guess I was never really "spiritual"...
Posts by Alfred
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35I committed un-suicide yesterday
by AlmightyDog inyesterday i opened my wallet and took a long look at the (no) blood card prominently displayed inside.
i have been convinced that this is not the truth for a couple of years now, and am trying to figure out whether to fade or da.
it hit me hard yesterday that with this piece of paper in my wallet, i could possibly end up dying for beliefs i no longer hold.
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Alfred
If you meant to say: "1914: Jesus Chooses Jehovah's Witnesses", think you got the year wrong...
But that's OK my friend, the WT got it wrong also... cheers
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Why did Jehovah preach the Good News to dead people?
by moshe init's one of those , aha!, moments that hits you right after you leave the kh.
if jehovah picked the wt society back in 1919 as his one true christian congregation and then asigned them and only the international bible students the big work of preaching the king and kingdom, at those famous,.
,uh-hum, everyone who heard the life saving message from rutherford's gang was going to be dead in a few years- everyone was going to the grave, not straight to the new system of things.
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Alfred
Very good point Mosche...
And I can almost predict the WT response to that one... "The reason is so that the 1st generation of annointed christians could plant the seeds and then properly prepare the annointed christians of the 2nd "overlapping generation" for the harvest work in the last days."... or something to that effect. The GB will then dig up some random out-of-context Bible verse and add it to their response just to make it appear "Biblical" rather than something that appears to be pulled out of their crappers... they always do.
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first true shunning!
by pbrow ini was at the bank and was at the front counter asking for help and my old jdub elder boss walks in.
i do a double take and say "hey denny, how you doin?
" he says nothing and fills out his deposit slip.
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Alfred
wow... I was shunned by an elder inside a bank also!!! and I wasn't even DA'd or anything... I was just "inactive" for about 8 months! In my case, this elder saw me and then really did everything possible to avoid me... I thought: "What an idiot"
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Seems the Watchtower is becoming more pushier / cult-ier...
by garyneal indid anyone have to endure the wt study today at the kh?
i did and boy it was a doozy.
saying things like "christendom deserved destruction for misleading people spiritually...." talking about false prophets, etc... the irony of all of this is that their judgements on christendom apply to them.
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Alfred
Excellent suggestion Black Sheep... thanks
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In Loving Memory of All The Insanity
by Perry inlet's all get ready for this conversation with our jw relatives this memorial season.
written compassionately in loving memory of the insanity.. .
christian: how are your sins forgiven since you reject the new covenant and according to mt.
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Alfred
Thanks Perry... I'm expecting a sheparding call any day now... you know... the one that tries to get the seats filled at the memorial just to impress the CO... any way, I think this will come in handy... humorous, yet insightful
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Why was Rutherford sent to prison?
by Alfred inwell that was 93 years ago so well probably never know all the facts.
but the wt claims that russell and others were falsely accused of sedition.
the may 9, 1918 new york times article that covered these arrests and sedition charges states that they were charged with spreading doctrines calculated to promote unrest and disloyalty among the men of the army and navy.
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Alfred
Well that was 93 years ago so we’ll probably never know all the facts. But the WT claims that Russell and others were falsely accused of “sedition”. The May 9, 1918 New York Times article that covered these arrests and sedition charges states that they were charged with spreading doctrines calculated to promote unrest and disloyalty among the men of the army and Navy. The article concludes that the indictment was based largely upon matter published in the Watch Tower (magazine), Kingdom News and the book Finished Mystery.
So I looked up “sedition” on Wikipedia and found this definition (in part)…
“In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition. […]”
It might interest current and ex-JWs to know that Rutherford ordered the Bible Students to rip out pages 247 through 253 in a last ditch attempt to avoid jail time. Surprisingly the Proclaimers book partially admits this (that the pages were removed… not that it this was done to avoid jail time).
A couple of days ago, I posted some bullet points based on my recent reading of the Finished Mystery book. What I forgot to mention at the end of my post were the notes I took from pages 247 through 253 (the seditious pages that Rutherford later ordered to be ripped out in an effort to avoid jail time). So here are my notes about these pages and I’ll let you decide whether the “Sedition” charges were false or not…
1. People who display patriotism are delusional murderers acting in the very spirit of the devil. Patriotism is narrow-minded hatred of other people.
2. Prince Bulow, Sir Henry Campbell-Bannermann, Mr. H. H. Asquith, Mr. John Jay and Mr. Elihu Root were peace-loving statesmen under a sky filled with clouds of war.
3. While 10,000 children in Tokyo were singing loving greetings to our naval officers, the US was gearing up for a war with the Japanese.
4. The naval experts of Russia are planning a billion-dollar navy even though millions of its people are on the verge of starvation.
5. The first expenditure of the United States government in the world war (WWI) was $7 Billion which is 27% in excess of the value of all the crops harvested in the US.
6. The Germans denounce war, with the exception of the present conflict with England. England condemns war but excludes from their indictment the present fight against central empires.
7. This war (WWI) is the natural product of our unchristian civilization. Its soldiers are grown from greed, imperialistic ambition and dynastic pride. Our participation in in this war in unethical.
Well, I don’t know about you, but I believe that this is as seditious as it can possibly get. On the other hand, as absurd as these pages in Finished Mystery were, I seriously doubt that any of these pages had any effect on the war (ripped out or not). But the fact that Rutherford didn’t stand firmly behind these statements found in Finished Mystery and ordered these removed in a cowardly attempt to avoid prison says a lot about his character…
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Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...
by Alfred inso a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).
i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.
but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.
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Alfred
Randy... absolutley... feel free to post or print
All... thanks for the kind comments.
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Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...
by Alfred inso a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).
i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.
but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.
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Alfred
So a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of “Finished Mystery” which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download… the actual book). I must say, this was the most disturbing book I have ever had the displeasure of reading. But I only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when Jesus supposedly chose the Watchtower in 1918 and I basically wanted to see for myself what Jesus saw in the WT that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.
Anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points I put together from some of the notes I took as I read the book:
1. Charles Taze Russell is the faithful and wise servant (p.4)
2. Jesus gave Russell the key to understanding God’s mysteries in the last days (p.6)
3. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8; 21:6 and 22:13 (p.15, p.318, p.336)
4. The Adventist Nelson Barbour showed Russell Biblical proof that Jesus was present since 1874 and Russell found this evidence satisfactory (p. 54)
5. As per Russell, there’s no need to learn the Hebrew or Greek languages to gain a correct understanding of the Bible since the Presbyterians and Methodists have good versions of the Bible at reasonable prices (p. 55)
6. The remnant will be taken to heaven in 1918 (p. 64)
7. The 7 messengers in Revelation are Paul, John, Ario, Waldo, Wycliffe, Luther and Russell (illustration after page 64)
8. The 7 trumpets in Revelation 8:2 are the trumpets of the Lutherans, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Evangelical Alliance and The Bible Students (chart after page 64)
9. Jesus began his reign officially in 1878 (p. 66)
10. 3-page list of Biblical texts which prove that Jesus’ second advent occurred in 1874 (p.68 – 71)
11. The behemoth mentioned in Job 40: 15-24 is the stationary steam engine (p. 84)
12. The leviathan mentioned in Job 41:2-19 is the locomotive (p.85)
13. The valiant men in Nahum 2:3 are the locomotive conductor and the fireman (p.93)
14. According to Exodus 28:1 and Numbers 4:46-48, the number of the great crowd will be approximately 411,840,000 (p.103)
15. The horseman on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is the personal representative of Satan: the bishop of Rome (p. 106)
16. The stars that fell from the heavens in Revelation 6:13 refers to the meteor shower on November 13, 1833 which covered 11 million square miles. The symbolic fulfillment occurred when the bishops and priests lost their influence over the minds and conscience of the people (p.120)
17. There is evidence that proves that the Palestine will be re-established in 1925 (p.128)
18. The demons will invade the minds of the members of Christianity and will bring them to their destruction in 1918 (p.128)
19. The earth was created 48,000 years ago (p.139)
20. The “angel” mentioned in Revelation 8:5 is the Watchtower Society and the “incense vessel” is the book “Finished Mystery” divinely provided to humanity (p.145)
21. According to Revelation 9:15, all of the 177,300,000 protestants on earth, who represent 1/3 of all Christians, will be destroyed in 1918 (p.164)
22. The “Time of the End” started in 1799 (p.171)
23. The “Great Tribulation” started in 1914 (p.178)
24. Michael the Archangel is the Pope of Rome (p.188)
25. The 2 wings of the woman in Revelation 12:14 are the Old Testament and the New Testament (p.191)
26. England is a satanic country because it forcefully exports 5 million pounds of Opium to China each year (p.202)
27. The Great Pyramid of Egypt confirms the fact that the time of Harvest has come (p.226)
28. Revelation 14:20 provides us with the precise distance between Scranton, Pennsylvania (where this book was written) and Bethel in Brooklyn (where this book was printed) … 137.9 miles (p.230)
29. The clergy are like dumb dogs because they prefer to remain silent rather than accept one single “Truth” from Russell’s precious writings (p.238)
30. The republics will disappear in the Fall of 1920. Every nation will cease to exist as they get swallowed up by anarchy (p. 258)
31. The “glory” of the angel mentioned in Revelation 18:1 enlightened to earth resulting in such great discoveries and inventions such as the electrical motors, airplanes, the Panama Canal, vacuum cleaners, the books from the Watchtower, etc. (p.273)
32. The “voice out of heaven” mentioned in Revelation 18:4 is the voice of the Watchtower (p.276)
33. According to Revelation 18:14, during the millennium, the clergy will have to work for a living. This means that each preacher in Christianity will have to spend 65 cents for an alarm clock (p.285)
34. The God sitting on the throne in Revelation 19:4 is Jesus (p.290)
35. God assumes full responsibility for the entire volume of Studies in the Scriptures (p.295)
36. The Kingdom of a thousand years started in 1874 with the second coming of Jesus (p.301, p.386)
37. According to Revelation 21:17, the number of sheep at the end of the thousand-year reign will be approximately 20.7 Billion (p.323)
38. When Russell understood the full import of God’s Word, he took a firm stand. The spirit, power and influence of God entered him, never to leave (p.377)
39. Ezekiel 5:2, 12, 16, 17 refers to the way in which Jerusalem was destroyed in 606BCE and 70-73EC and it also refers to the way Christianity is being destroyed between 1914 and 1918 (p.398)
40. God’s Day of Vengeance started in 1914 and will culminate in 1918 (p.404)
41. The literal fulfillment of Ezekiel occurred in 1898 when a miller, who publicly thanked the Virgin for dear bread, literally threw gold and silver at a crowd in the streets in a vain attempt to pacify them. But they demanded his life and took it (p.407)
42. According to Ezekiel 11:9, Christianity will literally fall in the hands of labor unions, socialists and anarchists (p. 425)
43. The preachers of Christianity say things that originate in their own imagination (p.432)
44. According to Ezekiel 17:22 and 20:42, Zionism and Judaism will proper on Earth as their leaders will be Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others upon their resurrection (p.450, p.462)
45. The congregation mentioned in Ezekiel 23:46 are union workers, socialists, democrats and anarchists (p.480)
46. In fulfillment of Ezekiel 24:15-19, God took away Russell’s desire for his wife by putting a spiritual plague over her which made her “dead” in the eyes of Russell (p.483, p.484)
47. God will destroy all of the churches on earth including all of its millions of members in 1918. It is expected that this will occur on or around April 27, 1918 (p.485, p.513, p.530)
48. All Jews will return to their native land according to God’s promise. Russell has been preaching the message Zionism since October 1910 (p.536, p.554, p.555)
49. In 1878, during the First Resurrection, God raised up the members of the Body of Christ, the “stem of David” (p.539)
50. According to Ezekiel 40:1, the establishment of the Kingdom on earth will occur 13 years after 1918 (p.569)
Well, I think that’s quite enough note-taking for a book filled with lies and false predictions… Just thought some of you newbies might be interested in knowing what the Watchtower was teaching in 1918 when Jesus came down for his inspection and chose the Watchtower.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Are NOT Under Mind Control
by PublishingCult inhow would you respond to the assertion that 7.2 million members of the jehovah's witness religion are not under any sort of mind control?.
the argument being that every one is responsible for their own actions and cannot blame the indoctrinator for what he says and does.
how could they possibly be under mind control?.
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Alfred
Publishing Cult... you cannot possibly be serious...