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  Was it the doctrine or the control that woke you up?

  by Evidently Apostate in

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  even though i knew some of the doctrines were so convoluted they couldnt be genuine, every prophecy mentioned in the bible was simplistic and direct i still felt it was the best place to raise a family.

  i felt like i could ignore the hypocrisy, manipulative and fake personalities and still have true friends and unbreakable family bonds.

  even though my concience would bother me i would always try to forgive.

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  Doctrine and chronology... especially after reading Gentile Times Reconsidered (C.O. Jonsson)...

  The WT knows that their chronology is seriously flawed yet they make no attempt to come clean... that level of dishonesty is what led to my exit...
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  Repent because God's Kingdom has drawn close!

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here on this forum there are so many sinners, many here are doing things that will bring god's wrath upon themselves.

  consider yourself if you in some aspect fit the description in romans 1:28-32:.

  and just as they did not approve of holding god in accurate knowledge, god gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting, filled as they were with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disposition, being whisperers, backbiters, haters of god, insolent, haughty, self-assuming, inventors of injurious things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, merciless.

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  sinners? as opposed to the watchtower leaders?
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  Millions now living with emotional scars..... scars that will never die.

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many former jehovah's witnesses are now coming forward and reporting of traumatizing events when they were young witnesses, that have left them emotionally chalenged and scarred.. crying babies only weeks old are taken in the back room of the kingdom hall and spanked, many young jw's are severely beaten with belts, rulers, wooden spoons ect.. the physical abuse in the organization is extreme and excessive...... but it does not stop there.. when a jw youth is disfellowshipped the emotional damage can be very dangerous even pushing many to commit suicide.. one of our guests on the six screens of the watchtower conference call sat.

  nov 5, 2011 at7:pm edt is a former jw named shane who was disfellowshipped at age 16 and has been suffering for many years since then.. .

  our second guest is former jw joe hewitt the author of the new book rescuing slaves of the watchtower.. .

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  wait... weren't you supposed to have steve unthank on tonight???
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  Are you sure joining or staying is a wise decision? Lurkers think twice. Part 1

  by NewChapter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'd like to call lurkers attention to the need of being discreet when contemplating joining or staying in the the jw religion.

  my general observations on active jw's and how their lives are going.

  the majority of them relate many beautiful ways their lives have turned out after joining but they refused to mention how rough and tough the journey truly is., here in america, we have received reports of many jws who terminated their lives because of the difficulty of coping with the cultish shunning and abandoment of those they love.

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  Alfred

  Charlie... you and I didn't read her post... she meant joining the JW religion...
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  Are you sure joining or staying is a wise decision? Lurkers think twice. Part 1

  by NewChapter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'd like to call lurkers attention to the need of being discreet when contemplating joining or staying in the the jw religion.

  my general observations on active jw's and how their lives are going.

  the majority of them relate many beautiful ways their lives have turned out after joining but they refused to mention how rough and tough the journey truly is., here in america, we have received reports of many jws who terminated their lives because of the difficulty of coping with the cultish shunning and abandoment of those they love.

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  Yes ... absolutely...
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  Babylon The Great Has Fallen (1963) and Finished Mistery (1969)

  by Libarian in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  who could help me with the pdf files of the following books...1963 babylon the great and 1969 finished mystery.

  i know it has been posted some time ago but they are not online any more.. thank you in advance..

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  thanks Blondie
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  Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?

  by Alfred in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (a little background info before i ask my question...).

  my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!

  she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).

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  I hate to shamelessly bump this thread, but last night my non-JW sister-in-law brought up this subject yet again... she said that last Saturday was an usually busy day during lunch... apparently, 2 party busses (or tourist busses?) pulled up and filled up the remaining seats in the restaurant...

  In the middle of all the chaos, two JW sisters that she recognizes walk in requesting a table for two (pioneers taking a break maybe?)... they were asked if sitting at the bar was OK... of course, they said no and even requested a booth. Finally, a booth opens up and they are seated, given menus and asked if they wanted anything to drink. They both ordered Sprite... After serving the Sprites, their waitor came by their table several times over a 25-minute period asking if they had decided what they wanted... not surprizingly, they weren't ready to order yet and continued their conversation without ever looking at their menus... Meanwhile, there were about 12 people (approximately 4 parties) waiting to be seated as the restaurant continued to be unusually full.

  Finally, after occupying the table for 35 minutes, they order nothing, pay for their Sprites and leave a $1 tip... the waitor was pissed!!!

  Again, my sister-in-law asks me why JWs are so clueless when they go to her restaurant. All I could say is that the WT dumbs down the rank and file so much that some JWs tend to lose all situational awareness and practically live in hermetically sealed bubbles where they apparently feel that they need not behave like normal human beings... (In retrospect, this is probably not the best response I could have given, but it was the only thing that came to mind after hearing her vent for 5 minutes...)
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  Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice

  by mankkeli in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  on this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.

  for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.

  what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.

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  Sizemik... Mankelli really can't substantiate anything...

  Mankelli... all baptism surges were due to fear of Armagedon... Ray knew this all to well and was not at all confused or sickened by it at all... I think you might be though...
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  Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice

  by mankkeli in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  on this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.

  for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.

  what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.

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  Alfred

  I'm 100% sure that leaving the JW religion has made my life (not better) MUCH better...

  I now have peace of mind, tranquility and much happiness. I've also learned to be much more tolerant of others (regardless of religious beliefs or sexual preferences), less judgmental and a lot more loving (than when I was a JW)...

  Lurkers... Do you really want to live a liejust to maintain friendships that would turn their backs on you in a second simply because you have discovered the truth about "The Truth" while they continue to have a twisted reasoning of the Bible? Do yourself a favor... Read Deu 18:20-22; Acts 1:7; 1 Tes 5:21 and 1 John 4:1 and then ask yourself... would Jesus turn his back on me for taking these texts seriously???

  Mankelli... you seriously need some help... you are obviously NOT looking at the bigger picture here...
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  9/11 Security Camera Footage Of Plane Hitting Pentagon

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  9/11 security camera footage of plane hitting pentagon.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bezmvmoti7e.

  bangalore.

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  Alfred

  Almost any 10 year-old can fly a 757 into a building the size of the pentagon at any speed...