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  It's official!

  by lilbluekitty in

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  tonight i just got my certificate: i'm officially a member of my church and a baptist.

  (i think of myself as just a general christian, but i like the laid-backishness of the baptists.

  i definitely don't think one denomination is better than anyone else though, and my church is multi-cultural, so i'm not a hater of other races like some southern baptists).

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  Alfred

  Excellent... as long as it doesn't control you and it makes you happy, why the heck not? Congratulations!!!
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  1914, Generation doctrine belief change!

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.

  he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.

  i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!

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  Alfred

  Caminante... thanks... I completely forgot about that...
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  Do the hours of the JW's reflect their actual preaching?

  by justhuman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was watchtower witness and pioneer i recall how we used to abuse the hours at the field service.... getting up in the morning, and doing street work..after the street work going to the kindom hall for the field service, and the at the territory.

  after finishing the territory continue some street work in order continue reporting the time.. so starting at 8.15 in the morning, then stop at 9.15 to drive to the kindom hall, and around 9.50 we were getting at the territory.

  then after the 2 hours preaching(and usually 85%of the people were not home and the rest show no interest at all, and after 2 coffee brakes, finishing at 12.00. then going some street work at the center of the town until 1.00. so we used to report 5 hours!!!

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  Alfred

  If JWs were only allowed to count the actual time spent talking to people (not walking from door-to-door, driving, or going to Starbuck's), the only "INCREASE" the WT would be able to report every year is an increase of zero's or blank columns on the monthly service report.

  The WT knows the numbers aren't real... but it's appearances that matter the most to them.
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  JW: Special Global Preaching Campaign

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following is from jw.org, but first, one observation: why they are putting all the importance in the bible teach book and not in the bible?.

  also, if you look on the home page, on an image they have, you see all the witnesess holding the bible teach book in the foreground, and in some pictures, a witness holding the bible in the background.

  so much for putting the bible first.. .

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  Alfred

  I'm going to buy some Dunkin Doughnuts and Starbucks stocks on ETrade right now and sell them in the last week of March...
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  Attention Rick Fearon (koolaid man): WHO IS THE RADIO PERSONALITY THAT YOU CLAIM IS JEALOUS OF YOU???

  by Alfred in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no rick... you don't get to dodge the question this time.... you are quick to claim that posters who call you out whenever you lie are cowards... so you are implying that you are not a coward yourself.... that being the case, you should not have a problem answering this simple question:.

  who is the radio personailty that you claim is jealous of you?.

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  Alfred

  I guess we'll never know now...
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  History of 1914 date

  by robB in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the small amount of research that i've done i've found the following points:.

  charles russell was the author of the prophecy that christ returned in 1914in an earlier period of his life russell promoted the idea christ had returned in 1874, which was originated by another man named nelson barbourat both times, christ was said to have returned invisibly (does anyone remember the story of the emperor's new clothes)russell used some measurements from inside of the great pyramid of giza to bolster his calculation for 1914, which was rooted in the cobbling of bible passages dealing with the fall of jersualem, the times of the gentiles and nebuchadneezar episode of madness (7 times)am i missing anything?.

  i'm trying to show a friend in the organization that all of this is a bunch of baloney.. .

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  Alfred

  Google John Aquila Brown or his book The Even Tide (1823)... that's pretty much where this 2,520 year calculation started...
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  History of 1914 date

  by robB in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the small amount of research that i've done i've found the following points:.

  charles russell was the author of the prophecy that christ returned in 1914in an earlier period of his life russell promoted the idea christ had returned in 1874, which was originated by another man named nelson barbourat both times, christ was said to have returned invisibly (does anyone remember the story of the emperor's new clothes)russell used some measurements from inside of the great pyramid of giza to bolster his calculation for 1914, which was rooted in the cobbling of bible passages dealing with the fall of jersualem, the times of the gentiles and nebuchadneezar episode of madness (7 times)am i missing anything?.

  i'm trying to show a friend in the organization that all of this is a bunch of baloney.. .

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  Alfred

  No... Russell NEVER said that Jesus would take the throne in 1914... Rutherford changed this in the late 1920's...

  All Russell said was that Armageddon would come in 1914 and the bethren would go to heaven... when it didn't come, he moved Armageddon to 1918.
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  Will there be a SECOND Armageddon in the year 2914?

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok... i know the answer... absolutely not..... but where does the watchtower get this idea that satan will be released in the year 2914 (1914 + 1,000) to test the faith of jws who have been cleaning up the planet for a thousand years?

  which bible texts have they taken out of context to arrive at this bizarre and exclusive jw teaching?.

  also, what are they saying will happen to the those who fail this "final test"?

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  Alfred

  NeonMadman... good point...

  So I guess Jesus has been sitting on his throne for the past 98 years twiddling his thumbs until the Big A begins so he can clock in and start his 1,000 year shift... this doctrine is so humorous...
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  1914, Generation doctrine belief change!

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.

  he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.

  i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!

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  Alfred

  ...and this post was only a few years before the NEW generation definition... (that being that a generation is actually two overlapping generations)...

  when will the r&f ever wake up???
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  Did you / do you have KH Parking Lot Security Duty?

  by Alfred in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering if this is only a regional thing.... i've been in two kingdom halls in the 90's where the parking was basically shared or public... so every 15 minutes, baptized publishers (who were not irregular or inactive) were rotated and had to stand outside in all kinds of weather just to watch everyone's vehicles.

  when the weather was nice, it was a good opportunity stretch out to take a break from the borefest.

  but i always thought that this was so contrary to their belief of "putting kingdom interests first"... i even approached an elder one time about this and asked: "why are we putting material things ahead of listening to the public talk?

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  Alfred

  Just wondering if this is only a regional thing...

  I've been in two Kingdom Halls in the 90's where the parking was basically shared or public... so every 15 minutes, baptized publishers (who were not irregular or inactive) were rotated and had to stand outside in all kinds of weather just to watch everyone's vehicles. When the weather was nice, it was a good opportunity stretch out to take a break from the borefest. But I always thought that this was so contrary to their belief of "putting kingdom interests first"... I even approached an elder one time about this and asked: "why are we putting material things ahead of listening to the public talk?" Needless to say, that didn't go over to well...

  Did you have parking security detail in your KH? Please do share...