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  Thinking about loosing my friends ....

  by Dudu in

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  i think the harddest part of all this process of fading is losing friends .... ive been jw all my life and my all my close friends are jw ... im sad.

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  Alfred

  What Billy said...

  we all know that there are some really bad people in "the world"... but there are also millions of genuinely friendly people who are honest, law-abiding and truthful... a lot more than 7 million, that's for sure...
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  What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Watchtower Society?

  by MrDarkKnight in

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  in a number of different threads comments have been made about the motives of the gb and the wtbts.

  it made me think, what is their ultimate goal?

  what is their end game?.

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  Alfred

  Billy... I believe it...

  Early last year, Anthony Morris visited our district and made a ridiculous comment about Field Circus... Basically, he asked the audience of about 6,000 to raise their hand if they enjoy getting up early saturday morning to go to FS. i'd say about 10% or less raised their hand... his response to that was: "wow, that's a lot more than I expected... I (Anthony Morris) certainly don't enjoy getting up early and then have to face the kind of treatment we usually get in FS, but we all have to do it if we want Jehovah's approval" (or words to that effect)... It just left everyone looking at each other and thinking WTF...
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  Still Amazed to Have Escaped

  by leavingwt in

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  i escaped the wt more than three years ago.

  yet, even today, i'm still amazed, surprised and thankful that i got out.

  it's easy for me to imagine having never getting the information i needed to make a clean break.

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  Alfred

  LeavingWT... I hear you man... On a scale of 1 to 10, my stress level dropped from about 7 to 2 after reading Crisis of Conscience and several other books... My wife took about 4 months or so to convince, but once she woke up, her stress level dropped from about 9 to 1... We were always trying so hard to meet our "theocratic" goals but always felt that we should be doing more if we wanted to be accepted by Jehovah... Thank God we're free!!! We're both much happier now than ever...
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  Demos on the platform versus actual reality in FS

  by Alfred in

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  we've all seen these demos a million times... perfectly rehearsed mini-dramas at the end of the theocratic school and during the service meetings (usually played by the same "exemplary" publishers and pioneers of the elite congo clique).

  you know what i'm talking about... the ones where they always speak the right words and cite the "appropriate" proof texts in perfect harmony with borg guidelines.

  so much so, that new "studies" or visitors who are unfamiliar with these "elite" brothers and sisters are completely awe-struck by their enthusiasm, "spirituality" and eloquence displayed on stage.. but then an inexplicable "phenomena" unfolds every saturday at 9am.

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  Alfred

  We've all seen these demos a million times... perfectly rehearsed mini-dramas at the end of the theocratic school and during the service meetings (usually played by the same "exemplary" publishers and pioneers of the elite congo clique). You know what I'm talking about... the ones where they always speak the right words and cite the "appropriate" proof texts in perfect harmony with borg guidelines. So much so, that new "studies" or visitors who are unfamiliar with these "elite" brothers and sisters are completely awe-struck by their enthusiasm, "spirituality" and eloquence displayed on stage.

  But then an inexplicable "phenomena" unfolds every Saturday at 9AM. These exemplary publishers and pioneers who showed so much zeal and biblical knowledge on stage are completely transformed into their "real" character once they start field circus. It's as if they enter some kind of time warp which sets them back 10 or 15 years. They suddenly forget "the script" and go back to the same old feet dragging, magazine placing mode they had all along while hoping that no one will open the door or ask them anything requiring any level of thought or analysis. God forbid they should have to actually use the Bible (like they did on stage 2 nights earlier) or even remember what they said in the last demo they gave so perfectly to impress the elders.

  Then again, the same could be said of any demo or drama whether at the KH or at an assembly. What you see on stage is not what you get in reality. In fact, the WT knows all too well that the vast majority of JWs (whom the WT themselves have "dumbed down" over the years) simply don't rise to that level of proficiency in field service (except for a rare few). So it would appear that these demos are yet another mind-control method that the WT employs to ensure that the rank and file continue to feel less than adequate when it comes to their service.

  At least this has been my observation over the years in the few congos I attended... looking forward to reading your thoughts on this "phenomena"... please do share... thanks...
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  What has the WT$ TAKEN from you?

  by VampireDCLXV in

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  if you've been around here long enough, you will have seen people saying how they "gave up" or "sacrificed" certain things so that they could be good little jws.

  what about those of us who were growing up in it and we didn't even have a choice in the matter?

  what about those of us from whom some things in life were forcibly ripped away, things that 'normal' people take for granted in their life?.

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  Alfred

  Hmmm... I never really thought about that... let's see, at about $20 a week for about 20 years... holy sh*t!!! ... they stiffed me for $21,000 !!! That's easily a $3,000 tailored suit for each GB member... damn!
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  A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

  by InterestedOne in

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  in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

  mistakes will happen.

  concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

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  Alfred

  Concerned JW... Did you know that the GB makes policy, interprets scripture and continuously flip-flops on important doctrines, all as a result of an arbitrary 2/3 majority vote? This is why these so-called "mistakes" happen... A 2/3 vote is NOT scriptural... Therefore, the GB is NOT spirit-directed as they would like everyone to believe.
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  A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

  by InterestedOne in

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  in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

  mistakes will happen.

  concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

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  Alfred

  It's clear to me that the WT quite simply makes things up as they go along. When they're exposed on any doctrine, belief or practice, they use the "imperfect men" card and call it a mistake. I call it intentional deceit.

  The only mistake the WT continuously makes is forgetting to ensure that any of their "New Light" is not actually a flip-flop from a previously made up interpretation of scripture (like the Toes on the statue).
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  assemblies and my lovely wife

  by stillin in

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  i finally put a couple of pieces together that have boggled me for years.. i would take my family to the conventions and assemblies and for some reason, my wife would always be upset or start an argument in the car on the way home, or in the week that follows.

  i realize now that her frustration is that i am not the guy in the demonstrations.

  you know, the guy who has the bestfriend/elder who always says the perfect thing and the guy is so humble and does this little talks-to-himself thing where he reveals his deep spirituality and applies the ever-so-wise words of his friend and after that life is just great again!.

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  Alfred

  My wife used to carry on after certain dramas (also on the way home) until one day I explained to her that the overly humble over-acting in these dramas is merely the unreachable bar that the WT sets for the rank and file to make them feel hopelessly inadequate in the eyes of God since they know all too well that no one is even remotely capable of behaving so perfectly in real life. Thank God she eventually snapped out of the trance...
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  Went to the DC today...

  by dontplaceliterature in

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  i caught the entire session today, and strangely, it was the first time i was able to stay completely alert for an entire dc program.

  i'm guessing the reason for that is that i was looking at the program with a critical eye for the first time in my life and was not being hypnotised by mind-numbing repitition (see steve hassen's combatting cult mind control).

  the program wasn't that bad.

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  Alfred

  And most of those teenagers probably got baptized to make themselves eligible for marriage or just to get everyone off their backs...
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  So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?

  by stillin9 in

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  you know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.

  it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.

  and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.

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  Alfred

  It's not NEW light... It's a reversal... They taught this in the 70's before changing it again! They do this kind of thing once in a while to create a buzz... And they know they can get away with it because they know that most of the old-timers simply won't remember "deep stuff" from the 70's while the newer JWs are already too dumbed down to even analyze this "new light"...