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  What happened to the victims of the Bethel inquisition?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  i just cracked open my "crisis of conscience" book and reread the chapter, "point of decision.

  " i wonder what ever happened to the people who were disfellowshiped and kicked out of bethel.

  i know that ed dunlap went back to oklahoma and died not too long ago.

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  Alfred

  Nestor and Toni Kuilan are doing just fine and are very happy living in the sunny Caribbean... the nicest people you will ever meet!
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  Next Monday, We will have 7 Billion in Population

  by Quarterback in

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  each years the population grows by 1.17 percent.

  that is approx 79 million.

  the numbers of population reaching age 60 or retirement years is approx 900 million.

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  Alfred

  That's 1 witness for every 1,000 people on earth.

  So if every witness preaches just 40 hours per month starting today, the preaching work could be completed in less than two years and Armageddon can finally come!
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  2012 Special talk, but it is in Spanish

  by wolfman85 in

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  http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?19923-bosquejo-discurso-especial-2012.

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  Alfred

  wow... lot's of errors but still a very good translation...

  This is what I thought that the WT's MEPS system did... I later found out that I was misled by elders and that MEPS only fits images and texts so that they are on the same page number in any language...

  thanks JW facts ( i was about to sit down and translate the whole thing!)
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  2012 Special talk, but it is in Spanish

  by wolfman85 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?19923-bosquejo-discurso-especial-2012.

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  Alfred

  By the way, I was just reading the talk outline and noticed that this is just noticed that this is just your basic "run of the mill" "Do-More... Be-Scared... End-Is-Near"Special Talk that will be given a few days after the 2012 memorial
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  2012 Special talk, but it is in Spanish

  by wolfman85 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?19923-bosquejo-discurso-especial-2012.

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  Alfred

  I'll translate the title...

  Is the end closer than you think?
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  Anybody got a full 1967 Awake set?

  by Teary Oberon in

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  anybody got the full year's worth of awakes for 1967 that they would be willing to share?.

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  the 1967 awake set is the only year that i am lacking before 1970. i've seen a partial set floating around, but never the full year though .

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  Alfred

  Teary...

  Why do you need one?

  Some of your previous posts lead me to believe that you're quite possibly a WT apologist...

  So I have to ask... Are you on some kind of mission for the WT? Would that mission possibly include helping them erase their history?

  Just asking...
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  Funny story by an ex-missionary/ ex CO mentioned in COC…

  by Alfred in

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  so a few months ago, i had dinner with an ex-missionary/ex-co (mentioned in coc and pentons apocalypse delayed) and he had some really interesting and funny anecdotes about his time in brooklyn bethel and spain.

  (i will ask him permission to reveal his name at a later time) but i just wanted to share one particular story that really made me laugh as it shows how ridiculous elders can behave after theyve been thoroughly dumbed down by the wt leadership.

  he explained that while he was serving in spain, a trivial matter came up in one of his visits to a congo in barcelona sometime in the late 70s.

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  Alfred

  Ding said...

  "No wonder this CO was ousted in the 1980s purge. He didn't understand that there is nothing too trivial for the "faithful and discreet slave" organization to control."

  That would certainly appear to be the case... However, this ex-missionary/ex-CO told me that, when he and his wife got kicked out of bethel, they weren't doing anything wrong at all... in fact, they were actually on the WT's side when that purge took place!!!... the problem they had was that they were close friends with the wrong bethelites (the ones doing independant bible research, etc..) and were assumed to be guilty by mere association... this really woke them up and eventually led to their complete departure from this twisted religion.
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  Father Elders going mad !

  by koolaid-man in

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  the stress on jehovah's witness elders raising their children in "the truth" is causing many to literally go mad.. keeping their children in " the spiritual ark" is becoming more and more difficult.. many elders are snapping under the pressure.. one of our guests on the six screens conference call told of her elder father ( who everyone at the kingdom hall thought was an angel) came home from the meeting and killed the family dog in the kitchen with his bookbag as the family looked on....... join us tonight oct. 22, 2011 at 7 pm edt.

  .... our guest will be wendy lee tucker former jw whose father was an elder and terribly abused her physically and emotionally.. she received horrific beatings..... hit with a bat, punched at, receiving a broken nose and became a prisoner in her home.. wendy was looked in her room with the doors being nailed shut when the family went off to the kingdom hall.. a far cry fom being a "spiritual paradise".

  it is easy to get on the call....no computer is necessary.... just dial 712-432-8710 and when asked for pin use 9925. our lines open at 6:30 pm edt.....so come on early and talk with all those who have been "touched by the tentacles of the watchtower".

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  Alfred

  After hearing the same 5 voices on this conf call week after week, I eventually tuned out...

  (btw... I'm still waiting for Rick to respond to my question about elders supposedly being deleted for having FaceBook accounts)
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  Funny story by an ex-missionary/ ex CO mentioned in COC…

  by Alfred in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so a few months ago, i had dinner with an ex-missionary/ex-co (mentioned in coc and pentons apocalypse delayed) and he had some really interesting and funny anecdotes about his time in brooklyn bethel and spain.

  (i will ask him permission to reveal his name at a later time) but i just wanted to share one particular story that really made me laugh as it shows how ridiculous elders can behave after theyve been thoroughly dumbed down by the wt leadership.

  he explained that while he was serving in spain, a trivial matter came up in one of his visits to a congo in barcelona sometime in the late 70s.

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  Alfred

  So a few months ago, I had dinner with an ex-missionary/ex-CO (mentioned in COC and Penton’s “Apocalypse Delayed”) and he had some really interesting and funny anecdotes about his time in Brooklyn Bethel and Spain. (I will ask him permission to reveal his name at a later time) But I just wanted to share one particular story that really made me laugh as it shows how ridiculous elders can behave after they’ve been thoroughly dumbed down by the WT leadership.

  He explained that while he was serving in Spain, a trivial matter came up in one of his visits to a congo in Barcelona sometime in the late 70’s. The elder body of that congo approached him for advice on handling an issue with a “problematic” brother who had feelings for a sister in his congo. This brother was apparently seen holding hands with this sister by several JWs on a number of occasions. There was even one JW who saw this brother kiss the sister on her cheek in a public place. He had been counseled several times about this but continued to hold hands with this sister as he saw nothing wrong with this.

  Eventually, the elders approached the sister to counsel her as well. When the “problematic” brother found out that the elders had asked to meet with her, he immediately defended her honor and told the elders to back off as she was doing absolutely nothing wrong Biblically and that they need not talk to her about this matter at any time. He even asked the elders for Biblical basis for their meddling in something as inconsequential as two people in love holding hands. Of course, they came up empty and were completely stumped.

  By this time, this CO arrives for his week-long visit and is almost immediately approached by the elders about this incredibly insignificant matter. After the elders got done giving this CO a long drawn-out explanation about what was going on and all the counseling they gave this brother, the CO’s immediate response to the BOE was literally: “And???”… after which the elders just looked at each other in disbelief. And after a brief awkward silence, one of the elders asked the CO: “But shouldn’t we be holding a Judicial Committee for the way he’s behaving and for disrespecting our authority?” The CO said: “Look, it seems you are all spending way too much time dealing with ridiculous issues when you should be attending the needs of the congregation. I don’t think we need to discuss this issue any further. If you really don’t like my response, I strongly suggest that you write bethel about your concerns and ask them for direction. But as far as I’m concerned, this matter is closed.” He then went on to the next subject on the agenda.

  A few weeks go by and this CO is asked to temporarily oversee the Service Department at the Barcelona (or Madrid? don't remember which) bethel. Then one morning, one of the bethelites working the correspondence desk approached him with a letter in his hand. It was a letter from the BOE of the congo with the “problematic” brother. The bethelite asked the CO to read the letter and give him advice on how to respond. When the CO saw the letter he told the bethelite: “Don’t worry about this letter brother, I’ll handle this one.” He then proceeded to answer the letter using numerous Biblical texts (forgot which ones, but he mentioned quite a few) to demonstrate just how ridiculous and vindictive the elders had become over such petty nonsense. Of course, when the BOE received the Service Dept’s “response” to their letter, it’s signed “Watchtower Bible & Tract” (as even the authors of letters are never revealed). So they had NO clue that the same CO that suggested writing to bethel was the same person who actually responded! That’s just classic!!! What are the odds?

  Anyway, this ex-missionary/ex-CO mentioned that he stayed in the Service Department a few months longer before being reassigned to another district in Spain and never heard anything else on the matter. But it just goes to show how some BOE’s get caught up in the most insignificant BS while other more important matters are completely overlooked… By the way, this “ex-missionary/ex-CO” and his wife were ousted during the 1980 Brooklyn Bethel shake-down but they are doing just fine and are very happy.
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  Watchtower’s Move to Warwick? ‘Not Any Time Soon’

  by Gayle in

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  meanwhile, additional property acquired in nearby tuxedo, n.y.by linda collins.

  so the move will likely be years away, according to devine.

  meanwhile, additional property acquired in nearby tuxedo, n.y.by linda collins.

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  Alfred

  That can't be right... Rick Fearon mentioned a couple of months ago that Johnny the Bethelite told him that the Governing Body emphatically stated that they were definitely moving in 2012...

  and if Rick Fearon said it, it must be true...