Posts by GrandmaJones

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TD's: The demise of 1874

by GrandmaJones in

wow, i would love to see what was on this thread.

all i see is those little boxes with the red x's on them.

is there a way to recover this?.

Does the Bible Teach a Second Chance After Death?

by Ding in

the bible teaches a resurrection of the dead, but does it teach a second chance after death or a judgment based on our life before we died?.

hebrews 9:27 says: " just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will .

appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.".

GrandmaJones

What about the scripture saying that the resurrected will be judged on the basis of the new scrolls to be opened at that time?

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

Any thoughts? Wouldn't God's purpose be to base his judgement on actions taken after the resurrection?

I don't know. My opinions are in a state of flux right now.

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I just can't do anymore right now....

by GrandmaJones in

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friends

i am constantly reading, studying, looking up more stuff on the internet, perusing old threads, keeping up with "new light" on jwn.

i am in the middle of "in search of christian freedom" (having just finished steve's cultmind control book) and i am finding it so argumentive doctrinally that my head is spinning.

i found myself this evening with my laptop next to my desktop (all the better to reference back and forth, m'dear) the wt library cd-rom open to "the modern history of jehovah's witnesses" in twenty four parts, with a plethera of "rainbow" books open for easy reference while i was listening to an old fred franz discourse at dodgers stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!.

GrandmaJones

I don't know what happened with all the font changes...Weird.

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I just can't do anymore right now....

by GrandmaJones in

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friends

i am constantly reading, studying, looking up more stuff on the internet, perusing old threads, keeping up with "new light" on jwn.

i am in the middle of "in search of christian freedom" (having just finished steve's cultmind control book) and i am finding it so argumentive doctrinally that my head is spinning.

i found myself this evening with my laptop next to my desktop (all the better to reference back and forth, m'dear) the wt library cd-rom open to "the modern history of jehovah's witnesses" in twenty four parts, with a plethera of "rainbow" books open for easy reference while i was listening to an old fred franz discourse at dodgers stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!.

GrandmaJones

I can see all the lies. I recognize the deception. I am obsessively interested in the full extent of this deceit. Was it deliberate, or, as Ray Franz suggests, do they believe their own bullshit? (Ooops! Grandma swore, something she almost never does.)

Yet, I find myself, at moments, with thought stoppers. I have just been so brainwashed. This religion has me used to stopping doubts with scriptures the WT uses, such as the one ..

I then remind myself that this organization was built by a man, who by todays teachings, if resurrected, would be disfellowshipped in fifteen minutes for apostacy. All this chronology built on 2nd Adventist stuff, and supported by measurements of the pyramids. As though God would choose such craziness, such pagan origins for his "faithful and discreet slave".

19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But [they went out] that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort.

I know the WT is not "the truth", but my cult mindcontrol hasn't worn completely off. I read Steve Hassen's book, and of course I see what he is saying, and I recognize how it affects me. But, it is a struggle to not fall back into the comfort of ignorance, (the dream of a paradise earth is so attractive to me) and just give up. This is hard, just as hard to come out of the "truth" as many people suffer to get into it.

I am trying to reason with some of my family, and they agree for the most part, with my opinions and the information I have discovered. It turns out they have doubts of their own, including some serious enough that they will not willingly go in service, and only turn in an hour or so a month.

So.........I have moments.

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Sayings of Everlasting Life heard "Nowhere Else" but in JW Organization?

by InterestedOne in

i just finished reading the 9/15/2010 wt study edition article for nov 8-14, and the last few sentences of paragraph 7 on page 18 jumped out at me.

referring to the "one association" which i assume means the jw organization, the author says "... where else can we turn?

nowhere else can we hear the sayings of everlasting life.

GrandmaJones

Black Sheep,

I tried to copy and paste that scan (1943) you posted. It doesn't work. Anyone have suggestions on how I get a copy?

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I just can't do anymore right now....

by GrandmaJones in

jw
friends

i am constantly reading, studying, looking up more stuff on the internet, perusing old threads, keeping up with "new light" on jwn.

i am in the middle of "in search of christian freedom" (having just finished steve's cultmind control book) and i am finding it so argumentive doctrinally that my head is spinning.

i found myself this evening with my laptop next to my desktop (all the better to reference back and forth, m'dear) the wt library cd-rom open to "the modern history of jehovah's witnesses" in twenty four parts, with a plethera of "rainbow" books open for easy reference while i was listening to an old fred franz discourse at dodgers stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!.

GrandmaJones

Okay, okay....I'll go to bed!

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I celebrated my birthday today for the first time!

by doublelife in

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friends

i didn't really have a party or anything, but people at work know that i'm no longer a jw and they got me a birthday cake.

my birthday is not until the 28th, but my co-workers always celebrate anyone's b-day on the 3rd wednesday of every month.

i've been giddy all day over it, though every once in a while, i'll remember how disappointed in me my parents would be.

GrandmaJones

Happy Birthday!!

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I just can't do anymore right now....

by GrandmaJones in

jw
friends

i am constantly reading, studying, looking up more stuff on the internet, perusing old threads, keeping up with "new light" on jwn.

i am in the middle of "in search of christian freedom" (having just finished steve's cultmind control book) and i am finding it so argumentive doctrinally that my head is spinning.

i found myself this evening with my laptop next to my desktop (all the better to reference back and forth, m'dear) the wt library cd-rom open to "the modern history of jehovah's witnesses" in twenty four parts, with a plethera of "rainbow" books open for easy reference while i was listening to an old fred franz discourse at dodgers stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!.

GrandmaJones

I don't know how some of you do it. I am constantly reading, studying, looking up more stuff on the internet, perusing old threads, keeping up with "new light" on JWN. I am in the middle of "In Search of Christian Freedom" (having just finished Steve's cultmind control book) and I am finding it so argumentive doctrinally that my head is spinning. I found myself this evening with my laptop next to my desktop (all the better to reference back and forth, m'dear) the WT library cd-rom open to "The Modern History of Jehovah's Witnesses" in twenty four parts, with a plethera of "Rainbow" books open for easy reference WHILE I WAS LISTENING TO AN OLD FRED FRANZ DISCOURSE AT DODGERS STADIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the Heck? Is that crazy? What is WRONG with me? Why am I compelled to continue to do this research? Do I require further proof of WT deceit? Am I just a sucker for punishment?

I read Brotherdan's earlier post with dismay. When you think about the past several weeks while he was going through so much with his wife, and realize how incessant his postings became, it's easy for me to see how he just wandered off the deep end in his stress. He's practically starting a new religion. I am sure his wife would be just as unhappy over this new blog as she would have been had she seen his postings here. I think it is something that could happen to a lot of us. I know I am going crazy from the studying. Perhaps I need to feel that I have turned over every leaf to prove this to myself, so that I never have to think I made this decision lightly.

This is a very tough thing for me. It's like staring at a corpse.....

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TD's: The demise of 1874

by GrandmaJones in

wow, i would love to see what was on this thread.

all i see is those little boxes with the red x's on them.

is there a way to recover this?.

GrandmaJones

Wow, I would love to see what was on this thread. All I see is those little boxes with the red x's on them. Is there a way to recover this?

Just hoping....

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Are Golden Age Complete Sets available for 1925-1931?

by pirata in

wtarchives has the golden age for 1919-1924. research applications has 1932-1937. does anyone know if complete sets are available for 1925-1931?.

GrandmaJones

Thanks, ynot. This worked. I may have to spend a little money here.