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  Ostracism: anyone with legal background on this forum who could help?

  by Nick! in

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  here in europe, we have started different initiatives aiming at exposing publicly and legally the watchtower on the subject of ostracism, discrimination and shunning.. in the past we have seen different manifestations held in front of kingdom halls or branch offices on issues such as pedophilia and blood transfusions policies, and even, such as in france, against building of real-estates.

  now it seems that the issue of discrimination against disfellowshipped or dissociated people is gaining momentum.

  we have seen the large demonstrations in brazil, and maybe the lesser important ones elsewhere.

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  Desirous of Change,

  Incidentally, you will not find the term "Separation of church and state" in the First Ammendment.....or anywhere in the Constitution or the Ammendments. It's a made up term to make people think there is a Constitutional arguement against the "State" getting involved in any way, shape or form with religion. In actuality, the Constition of the U.S. prohibits the establishment of a state religion and allows Americans to practice whatever religion they choose. Anything more than that has been adjudicated and interpreted into the Constitution even though it's not really there.

  That being said, I don't believe you will ever see the U.S. government get involved in the disfellowshipping/ shunning debate. There is a concept of "Freedom of association" that allows people to associate with those they choose to associate with and to not associate with those they don't want to associate with.

  The only debate I can see them interjecting themselves into is blood transfusions if it involves a minor (which they have done for years), or an adult with diminished capacities. They will not force an able bodied person of sound mind to accept a blood transfusion if they don't wish to.
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  New Light

  by Spade in

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  i've noticed quite a few dissidents of jehovah's organization that have left with some fixation on jehovah's witnesses concept of new light.

  i really don't understand.

  the antiquity of religion may be historically educational, but not always personally illuminating.

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  drewcoul

  Spade:

  If Jesus returned on Oct. 2, 1914, and WW1 was proof for this, and was caused by Jesus casting Satan out of Heaven.........Why did WW1 start in August and not after Oct. 2?

  Please answer this question.
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  If The Watchtower discourages Greek language study, why did they publish the KIT?

  by VM44 in

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  if the watchtower discourages the study of biblical languages, then why did they publish twice, in 1969 and 1985. the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures?.

  would this not actually encourage the study of the greek language?.

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  Two things:

  First: I use the KIT at times when I'm studying some bible subject and want to know the difference in NWT, KJ, NIV and other translations that I have. I'm still in the process of trying to find out things for myself, and am still full of the things I learned as a JW for nearly my entire life. I know many of you can relate.

  Second: When did the Society discourage the study of biblical languages? Can you give a quote and reference?
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  Johnny the mysterious bethelite .. Six Screens conference call tonight Sat.Jan 15, 2011

  by koolaid-man in

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  announcement........ http://sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/upcoming.html.

  we are all anticipating the return of the active bethelite ,johnny, who was hiding in a closet talking to us from the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.

  link to jan.1,2011 call.... http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/conferencecall-1-1-11.html .

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  It's the same old same old. He's a Liar.

  RICK- WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS??!!?? How about the question about the voice changer you said you were using on the original call? Were you using it or not? Does it exist or not?

  How about Mr. Mustard's question which I've cut and pasted below?

  By not answering questions like this, you are destroying any credibility you may have had.

  Here's the cut and paste from Mr. Mustard's direct question:

  @koolaid-man:

  You wrote:

  yourmomma I had no idea that Johnny was coming on the call. He surprised me as much as everyone else. To be honest, I do not remember talking to Johnny . But hundreds of people come on the conference calls and Johnny at some time previously may of come on to the call using an other name and getting advice from from me.

  Do you mind clarifying something? If you go back to the recording of the first call, starting around minute 59 (start there), Johnny is talking about the poor mental health of Bethel members, and speaking of "Jarrod", head of the waiter crew, having a breakdown and taking a knife to another brother's throat. He then says he feels very fortunate he found your site. Then he said, "..when they told me about looking into people's facebooks and stuff, I asked Rick about it, and he gave me some good council, and it pushed me into the right place."

  This seems to indicate that he was in contact with you prior to the first call, and that you had even given him advice. You don't remember talking to him prior to this call?

  Thanks,

  MeanMrMustard
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  2 Witnesses spoken of in Revelation

  by Kimberly090 in

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  hey everyone!.

  i was looking on facebook and came across a page called facebook.com/wefoundthem and they were speaking about the 2 witnesses.

  i have seen a little bit about a witness in the watchtower but not much.

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  A Beloved and Compassionate Elder Trapped in a Cult Just Died , What should I do?

  by TastingFreedom in

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  i just heard the sad news that a very loving and kind elder for the congregation that i belonged to for 15 years just died from a heart attack.

  he was someone that i had great admiration and deep respect for, even now that i'm out from the jws.

  he was my mentor and an inspiration to me as an elder, and in many ways he showed me the contradictions of the wts, he was a breath of fresh air within a cult.

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  I know that when my father died, seeing people from his past there, people I hadn't seen in decades made an impression on me and brought home the point of what a wonderful person he was and that he had touched people's lives so much even back in the '60's before I was born, that they paid their respects to him by showing up at the funeral or the showing. I know they weren't there for me, they didn't even know me or my mother. They were there to show their respect for my dad.

  I think you should do the same thing. If I were you, I would even go through the line and express your condolences to the widow. No need for a lengthy conversation, just tell her you loved him, and you miss him. No witness in their right mind would have a problem with that. As for having to listen to the talk, who cares??? It's what HE BELIEVED!!! You don't have to believe it, but it is being given because he would want it to be given.

  I hate to go back to my dad's funeral, but I had put into the memorial pamphlets two scriptures. Daniel 2:44 and Rev. 21:3,4. Not because I wanted people to know what the Witnesses teach about it, but because HE would want something said about God's Kingdom and something said about a paradise earth......whether it's true or not, it doesn't matter.

  I appreciate your problem here, but I say go for him. You will only regret it if you don't go.

  I am sorry for your loss. May our Heavenly Father give him his reward.
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  A former CO elder wants to speak with me. What do you guys make of this?

  by Piercingtheveil81 in

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  a former co elder visited my grandmother, who studied years ago with jws, and said he wanted to speak with me.

  i da'd myself about two years ago from the org after 11 years.

  i was an ms and pioneer for 8 years and the whole bit.

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  I think you should meet with him. You're already DA'd. If he brings up anything about how your wife feels, just say "You would need to talk to her about that." I agree with Franklin Massey.....Show him how happy you are and the things you've learned.

  But most importantly: LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!! Please and Thank You!
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  Rahm Emanuel Off The Ballot In Chicago Per The Court!

  by minimus in

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  it looks like the former chief of staff of president obama is a man without a home.

  poor guy!.

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  Purplesofa, you are missing the point. The person running for office must meet both requirements. ie- be a qualified elector (they could be away for military service) AND reside in the municipality for one year preceding the election.

  Just because one is a qualified elector doesn't mean they are a qualified candidate.
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  A catalog of talks if you're interested

  by drewcoul in

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  i found this on the internet, if anyone is interested in listening to some older talks, or talks by people they may know.

  i was able to hear some talks by an old friend of mine who is now a co. interesting too to hear some of the old talks by the gb......... http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/.

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  drewcoul

  It's a shame so many good people are involved in such a sham of a religion
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  Are Tie Neck Blouses stylish, or is there too much going on?

  by miseryloveselders in

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  there's a woman in a different department next to my department.

  she's a very attractive woman, but at times she wears things that leave me perplexed.

  for instance, she had this blouse on with baggy swashbuckler sleaves.

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  drewcoul

  When it comes to women who are attractive, my motto has been "less is better.....far less is far better"