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  Revelation Prophecy Fulfillments According to WTS.......How Long Has it Been?

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently listened to an old fred franz talk that i found online that i remember attending when i was 11 in 1983 in indianapolis.

  since i remembered that i didn't follow what he was saying back then, i wanted to listen to it and see if i could understand it now.

  (the only difference is he still doesn't make much sense, but now i know it wasn't just because i was too young to understand at the time.).

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  drewcoul

  BTT for VM
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  I sued the local congregation

  by chukky 594 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  several years ago, before my wife and i left, my 5 yr old daughter got up during the watchtower to cross the aisle to sit with someone else.

  she tripped on the roving microphone wire and smashed her head on the foot of a metal chair.

  the bleeding was profuse and an ambulance was called.

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  drewcoul

  Ahhhhh....I see.

  Your principles are subjective. Very nice. You didn't see fit to seek damages at the time, but waited several years, before the statute of limitations ran out to sue.

  If you were a principled person, your view of the congregation would have zero to do with whether you felt they were liable for the damages. Obviously you didn't feel they were liable at the time, but as your animosity toward the congregation grew, and after you left, you felt you could go back and grind an axe.

  I'm glad I don't know you.
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  Any Stock Holders out there? I need Financial Advice. No...not which stocks I should buy.

  by Voices in

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  2. friends

  ok first off let me ease your worry...i'm not asking you 'what stocks i should invest in.

  ' i have a stock in mind that i have seen progress steadily up and up.

  before i could even think about investing, i knew this company was going to take off and it's slowly climbing.

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  You should see if you can buy the stock through your 401(k). Sometimes there are a few individual stocks you can buy through your 401(k) but it's usually limited to mutual funds or common stock of your own company.

  I would look into setting up an etrade account. I have one. You don't need any special license or permit to buy stock. All brokerages have fees associated with trades. You're not going to get out of paying a fee for buying stock.

  You will receive a tax form by January 31 of your gains or losses for the previous year. You have to pay capital gains on the appreciation of the investment. You can deduct any losses.

  The upshot is you can do it yourself through etrade or sharebuilder, and they'll let you know next January what you can deduct or claim as income on your taxes.

  It's not very complicated. Don't be intimidated by it. Normally, I would recommend you go through an advisor, but since you are interested in buying one particular stock, you should be fine just doing it on your own.

  Good luck!
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  Revelation Prophecy Fulfillments According to WTS.......How Long Has it Been?

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently listened to an old fred franz talk that i found online that i remember attending when i was 11 in 1983 in indianapolis.

  since i remembered that i didn't follow what he was saying back then, i wanted to listen to it and see if i could understand it now.

  (the only difference is he still doesn't make much sense, but now i know it wasn't just because i was too young to understand at the time.).

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  drewcoul

  VM44,

  Here's a link to the talk.

  http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/SpecialTalks/Franz%20Fred%20-%20Increasing%20in%20Appreciation%20of%20Jehovahs%20Organization.mp3

  And here's a link to a whole host of talks from special talks, to Circuit Assembly parts, to DC talks.....I was able to find some people I remember and the talks they gave. (one of whom is now a Circuit Overseer) It was enjoyable to listen to my old friend who's now a CO because he really is a loving and caring person who is really good at giving talks.

  http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/
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  Question for elders and ex elders and anyone else who might know

  by ldrnomo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  an older man on the elder body i was on, once said at an elders meeting, just prior to a co visit:.

  "brothers we want to be careful not to bring up any dirty laundry with bro...co when he comes to visit" i didn't say anything at the time because i was duly doing my duty as a non thinking jw or at least non speaking and i also knew i was outnumbered.. even though i put this in quotes, i really don't remember exactly what he said but the general idea is there.. so the question is, has anyone else had a similar experience?.

  perhaps some may have some thoughts on the many shows that go on in a kingdom hall..

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  The CO had the elders in one congregation I attended apologize from the platform to the congregation for their mishandling of situations and not showing love to the brothers and sisters. It was a large congregation with only two elders at the time. One was a special pioneer and the other was in his early 30's at the time. The entire body of elders had been removed about 3 years prior to this. I guess you can only hide things for so long, eventually the truth comes out.
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  I sued the local congregation

  by chukky 594 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  several years ago, before my wife and i left, my 5 yr old daughter got up during the watchtower to cross the aisle to sit with someone else.

  she tripped on the roving microphone wire and smashed her head on the foot of a metal chair.

  the bleeding was profuse and an ambulance was called.

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  drewcoul

  When my son was about 2 years old, he fell, and his little fat chin hit the floor of the KH. Poor little guy had to go to the ER and get stitches while I had to hold his head down while he was looking up at me with his big eyes full of tears, not understanding why I wouldn't pick him up and hold him while the doctor was putting stitches in his chin. I seriously think it was nearly as hard on me as it was on him......

  That being said......I NEVER considered suing the congregation, or the KH. Accidents happen and it's not their fault.

  Why people are so litigious and sue happy, these days I don't understand. As long as there isn't any negligence or malice, I don't think it's right to sue. Someone getting hurt shouldn't create a windfall for them, or their parents.

  I feel for your daughter and I understand how traumatic it can be especially with all of the blood and crying etc.......I hope your daughter is doing well now especially her cardiac problems.
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  Revelation Prophecy Fulfillments According to WTS.......How Long Has it Been?

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently listened to an old fred franz talk that i found online that i remember attending when i was 11 in 1983 in indianapolis.

  since i remembered that i didn't follow what he was saying back then, i wanted to listen to it and see if i could understand it now.

  (the only difference is he still doesn't make much sense, but now i know it wasn't just because i was too young to understand at the time.).

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  drewcoul

  I recently listened to an old Fred Franz talk that I found online that I remember attending when I was 11 in 1983 in Indianapolis. Since I remembered that I didn't follow what he was saying back then, I wanted to listen to it and see if I could understand it now. (The only difference is he still doesn't make much sense, but now I know it wasn't just because I was too young to understand at the time.)

  He mentioned how the 4th bowl of Revelation was poured out in 1925 in Indianapolis, and the sun became scorching in fulfillment of Rev.16:8,9.

  This also coincided with the 4th Trumpet blast of Rev. 8:12.

  This led to me getting out my old, underlined, and studied copy of the Revelation Climax book. In it, I noticed that it seems there are no fulfillments of trumpet blasts, vials being poured out, or really any other signifigant happenings since about 1935. This means that those of the generation who could witness any of these supposed fulfillments are at least 76 years old.

  Has the WTS claimed any fulfillment of Revelation since the early 20th century?

  Do they believe there has been nothing happening in the way of biblical prophecy for nearly 80 years?

  It seems that if they were correct in their understanding, those who were around during the trumpet blasts would still be around at armageddon, since these were supposedly a warning to the nations, and to religious leaders. So, what they are saying is people who heard the trumpet blasts, and the bowls being poured out and ignored it will be resurrected for the most part since most have already died before armageddon. However, those who have been born since have never heard the trumpet blasts, or the bowls being poured out, yet they will die at armageddon without hearing the warnings.
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  Jack Barr Eulogy - May 15th WT

  by GOrwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  folks,.

  reading the john/jack/fred barr "info" on page 6, can anyone tell me the difference between this blantant human honoring eulogy and what would be presented at an actual funeral for any tom, dick or harry?

  i can't tell the difference.

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  I have heard, but I've never read anything that I can remember. What is the WTS opinion of eulogies? When my Dad died, the elder who gave the talk said: "We're not here to eulogize Jim........" What do they say is wrong with a eulogy?
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  What's Your Favorite TV Show Right Now?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i love criminal minds and the newest criminal minds that was showcased last night.

  and i love law & order svu!.

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  It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

  Forensic Files

  Glee.......(Just Kidding)

  Tosh.0

  Who's the boss reruns
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  Why would abandoning 1914 mean they are not chosen by God?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've read here that if the wt admits 607 is wrong or if 1914 is wrong, the logical result is that god did not choose them as his org.

  can someone explain to me how that logically follows?.

  couldn't they just say, "we have received new light on that, have learned that we cannot give a specific date (like how they abandoned 1935), but look, we adhere to the bible more strictly than anyone else, we strive to 'keep the cong clean' more than any other group, etc., so therefore, we must be chosen by god as his only org.

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  I love these topics!!!!!

  It really gets me thinking and realizing that I wasn't the only one who just "went along" with what the WTS said. Most of us were really believers. I know I was.

  I got out the ol' "Revelation- It's Grand Climax at Hand" book. (apparently the grand climax being at hand was in 1988, so 23 years ago....I can't believe it's been that long) I still see my notes and underlines.......But I digress.....

  All throughout the book, it points to 1914 as being the beginning of Jesus' rule in heaven. It even claims that the prophecies in Revelation were fulfilled with various WTS conventions, resolutions, and publications. THere are so many, I cannot even begin to list them. You'll find on page 173, a list of 7 "Trumpetlike Judgement Proclamations" that were all fulfilled from 1922-1928. These are conventions that were held in the US, Canada, and the UK.

  All of these, in fact the entire "Climax" book and an innumerable amount of articles, publications, and talks start with the premise of 1914 being the year Jesus was enthroned as King, and the "End of the Gentile Times."

  So, it would not only hurt their credibility to change the 1914 date, it would make nearly all of their publications regarding prophesy completely meaningless. The only thing that would stand up is their general outlook on "Christian living" which all Christians agree with.

  They have held on to the idea of 1914 for over 120 years (according to their own literature) They are in too deep to change it now.