JW Broadcasting - December 2015

by wifibandit in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qno7yzpqntu

elderINewton

That Splane bit - and how he ends it is nothing more than a suck up. We laid off all the cleaners and now you sisters get to clean you and your hubby's suite. So thank you.

Still that was one boring broadcast.

I will say that I enjoyed that male that worked out everyday because he valued his body, but how he ignored his spiritual well being. The first thing I thought was that he wants to join the ever waist line expanding body. Then sure enough the newly appointed MS friend had a little beer belly coming.

Irony.

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Elders now ORDERED by the Org to fleece the sheep

by The Searcher in

the org is now demanding money from the witnesses, via the latest letter sent to elders regarding the circuit's excess funds.

succeeded in getting elders everywhere to hand over their own congregation's "excess funds" - now their circuit's bank balances are going to be plundered.. the spineless and subservient elders will cooperate without a whimper, because they're afraid of losing their little bit of power which the org has bestowed upon them.

(john 11:48).

elderINewton

The real sad part of this is that

1) The WT owns all the Circuits - these funds were only really used to support assemblies.

2) The WT already imposed a tax on the use of assembly facilities in the US and Canada (not sure on UK or Europe) of 5-9/publisher per assembly day, above and beyond the use charge per publisher.

Overall, this arrangement is really a nickle and dime way of ensuring that they get every penny faster. As an example most of us hear from the financial report that we started with $BB then had expenses leading up to assembly and assembly of $EX - the elder then decided to make a donation of $DN to the WT and we have received donations of $IN etc. leaving a defect of this assembly of $EB. (I have never heard a surplus)

This always excludes the donations that come in after the assembly announcement, so this letter really says that we want those monies faster.

Not rocket science, but it does say they have money issues. Its not big funds.

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The Elders are Coming Help!

by LaurenM in

so the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).

i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.

i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?

elderINewton

If you have been to the Hall it's likely something in your introduction letter that they following up on.

If you haven't been to the Hall it's the introduction letter is making then check up on you.

It's pretty standard for them to follow.

If you want toavoid them just say "it is nice to hear from you but at this time I'm seeking personal assistance dealing with a traumatic issue and need to deal with that first. Until that is dealt with is best that I keep my distance to avoid further trauma that might result in more expensive treatments.

That line is long but it works.If they dig tell them you can't say anything without legal present

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Impact of the Royal Commission of Inquiry on JW policies and procedures

by steve2 in

the royal commission is not yet over.

the summary of findings on jws is not the end of the story.

the legal process is unfolding and the only open question is the extent to which jw organization in australia will be legally mandated to change its policies and procedures on child sexual abuse.. (on the question of shunning those who leave, the commission is well intended but has strayed beyond its legal brief.

elderINewton

steve2 - not sure I agree that its a good PR move. Its a much better PR move to say the past had errors and now we are better than what is required etc.

The current move shows arrogance from a PR perspective and is likely to cause more bad PR.

Overall I'd still say "what changes." This organization has never ever admitted the were wrong (at least that I can think of , 1914,1925,1975, etc).

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

elderINewton

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/01/jehovahs-witnesses-fostered-distrust-of-secular-authority-royal-commission-counsel

Jehovah's Witnesses 'fostered distrust' of secular authority – royal commission counsel

Church’s response to child sexual abuse fell short of best practice, says Angus Stewart QC in his damning submission, published on Tuesday

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Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing

by wannaexit in

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i've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.

seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.

they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.

elderINewton

F69 Members of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation who no longer want to be subject to the organisation’s rules and discipline have no alternative than to leave the organisation which requires that they disassociate from it.9.367 The policies and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not require any individual who no longer wants to be subject to their “rules and discipline” to formally disassociate themselves. They can simply stop associating with the congregation. Such individuals are not shunned.
If you have a JC for apostasy here you go........ Omg

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

elderINewton

Personally I feel vindicated by the report, but it's disgusting that this report ever had to be written. It's clear that the court is hopefully going to make them pay. I find it difficult to move past the 1800+ victims.

The courts clearly indicate that the elders lied and GB controls everything

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Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

by jwfacts in

there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

what would be their motive for these details?

the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

elderINewton

big difference is that CPA's are mentioned. It was not mentioned in the US, and I don't think it was done in the UK.

Completely different skill set.

Something is amiss.

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Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

by jwfacts in

there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

what would be their motive for these details?

the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

elderINewton

That line "does he accept counsel and direction willingly" and "Do his actions and speech show respect for theocratic arrangements" is the biggest insult to anyone with professional accreditation.

Its nothing more than newspeak saying is he willing to bypass the code of ethics from the professional association and be a company man.

I remember getting that line that its a theocratic organization and you need to follow it with the new donation arrangement after I suggested to the BOE that it wasn't ethical from the standpoint of my external accreditations.

Still, the most interesting part is that this is the legal department looking for them, rather than the service department. Does the legal department oversee the accounting? I thought it was the service department? If its the legal that would suggest something is afoot in aussie.

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Reasons for doubting.

by New day in

somebody mentioned in a recent topic that they had a conversation with a former elder whose breaking point was when the overlapping generation was highlighted in recent times and how he would never serve again until somebody gave him a scriptural reason to believe it.

i am in a similar position.

i have gone in the last 18 months from taking the wt study, leading fs groups, and doing talks on the mtngs to doing almost nothing, as i resigned a little over a year ago as an elder due to a combination of family responsibilities and huge doubts.

elderINewton

Sabin to your question "what is it easier for us to say, "I don't believe this is Gods organization, or I don't believe God would approve of protecting child molesters". it's the same thing is it not."

Personally I would tend to the latter, but it is the same thing.

I'm always left wondering how the Jews would likely stone a child molester yet we send them door to door. I don't think Christ would approve.

elderINewton

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