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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Spade

Notice it mentions the families of the north, and then it states that Babylon will come against "this land" and "all the nations round about". So we have the north mentioned, Judah mentioned ("this land"), and "all the nations round about.". If there is still any doubt in your mind, Jeremiah was kind enough to start explicitly listing the nations included in this prophecy starting in verse 18. Again, there are many (plural) nations involved in the seventy years, they are explicitly listed starting in verse 18, and "these nations" will serve the king of Babylon seventy years. It's seventy years of servitude of many nations. Not seventy years of desolation. Please read the scriptures and respect context and grammar.

The prophecy has a lesser but a parallel fulfillment regarding other nations, but the direct fulfillment regarding the desolation of Jerusalem is clearly indicated in related scriptures;

In the first year of Da·ri′us the son of A·has·u·e′rus of the seed of the Medes, who had been made king over the kingdom of the Chal·de′ans; in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years. Daniel 9:1-2

The charter of Cyrus the Great synchronizes with Daniel 9:1-2 so there should be little question in the minds of those that have confidence in the Bible as the unerring, inspired Word of God, and are sincerely interested in knowing the truth of this matter from a Biblical perspective.

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Charlie Sheen

by mrsjones5 in

i came rather late to watching the show "two and a half men" and have been watching mostly the reruns, which i have enjoyed immensely (the story lines are funny).

i try to catch the first runs when i can.

to me this show is really a homage of charlie sheen's life.

Spade

After reading some of the disturbing hate speech over someone as silly as Charley Sheen in some of these posts; I could gave a damn about any personal attacks directed at me.

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What world events would cause you to run back to the JW,s

by jam in

jw
friends

a year or two after leaving the borg.

i was on shaky ground.. any major catastrophe in the world that took place, i thought.

today i can not think of one single event.

Spade

I have done nothing contrary to bible standards, you need to wake up and realize that the organization makes up "standards" that DO NOT exist in the bible.

Like what?

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The King of the North and the King of the South. What gives?

by dgp in

if i understood correctly, one of the ideas advanced as proof of jehovah's witnesses beliefs is that of the kings of the north and the south.

i didn't understand much of it, to a large extent because i think it's nonsense, but something else i did find curious.. the king of the north was the soviet union, and the king of the south were the united states.

i am not sure the soviet union is "north" of the united states in any sense (think of alaska), but, that aside, what kind of theological distress resulted when the king of the north crumbled to pieces?

Spade

“And in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [lands] that will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand, E′dom and Mo′ab and the main part of the sons of Am′mon. And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee. And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Lib′y?ans and the E?thi?o′pi?ans will be at his steps.

“But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him. Daniel 11:40-45

The rivalry between the two kings doesn't continue indefinitely. In 1993 it was stated that events are yet future, so it cannot be said in detail how the prophecy will be fulfilled. In 1991, the political situation regarding the two kings dramatically changed. The Soviet Union was disbanded in 1991 and no longer exists as an entity that aggressively threatens the King of the South. Daniel synchronizes with the Bible book of Revelation and has application to the 20th century.

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What world events would cause you to run back to the JW,s

by jam in

jw
friends

a year or two after leaving the borg.

i was on shaky ground.. any major catastrophe in the world that took place, i thought.

today i can not think of one single event.

Spade

This is the point entirely; you would think from some of the angry, resentful comments from some former members, that there's a barbed wire or an electric fence around Kingdom Halls that prevents reentry and they're mad about it. This isn't the case however. It's personal choice not to return so there should be no axe to grind toward Jehovah's Witnesses in countries where we enjoy religious freedom. No one is ordering you to return, so getting snippy reflects immaturity.

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What world events would cause you to run back to the JW,s

by jam in

jw
friends

a year or two after leaving the borg.

i was on shaky ground.. any major catastrophe in the world that took place, i thought.

today i can not think of one single event.

Spade

Just because I know something about the pathology of apostates doesn't make me a troll. Though mistaken and deluded, apostates claim to know something about the psychology of Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/mind-control/mind-control-or-brainwashing.html

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What world events would cause you to run back to the JW,s

by jam in

jw
friends

a year or two after leaving the borg.

i was on shaky ground.. any major catastrophe in the world that took place, i thought.

today i can not think of one single event.

Spade

Some people will never repent:

For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame. Hebrews 6:4-6

What they used to hold dear is now repugnant. They will never repent and humbly seek God’s forgiveness for their sin and rejection of Christ’s ransom. They are beyond repentance.

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Spade

"Your beliefs kill people. Your beliefs help child rapists. Your beliefs rip families apart. Your beliefs cause young and old to kill themselves. Your beliefs cause mothers and fathers to let their children die. Your beliefs are an abhorrent and dangerous thing that needs to be expunged from the face of the earth.

Safe distance indeed."

These extreme viewpoints can be held against anyone's beliefs.

The Crusades
The Inquisition
The genocide of the Soviet Stalinist regime

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Egibi Banking Tablest - of which The Watchtower has never mentioned - why?

by VM44 in

the egibi tablets are contemporary (that is, they were written at the time) documents containing the records of the babylonian egibi bank over the time period of the neo-babylonian kings, 606 - 482 b.c.. these detailed records, the first of which was discovered in 1874, five years before the first issue of the watch tower magazine appeared, should have been of great interest to anyone who wanted to establish the reigns of the babylonian kings.. however, the watchtower has never mentioned the name egibi in any of its publications over the last 130 years!.

the watchtower has completely ignored this source of information!.

book: 'das egibi-archiv, i: die felder und garten,' vol.

Spade

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/Chronlgy.htm

The book is based on a study of the data from several thousand cuneiform tablets, including dated contracts and other business documents, and astronomical tablets giving the positions of the heavenly bodies in relation the each other and to the Zodiac in particular years. A careful analysis of relevant texts in Hebrew and Aramaic (the Elephantine Papyri) has been performed as well, and 400 modern sources have been used.

Have the thousands of dated contracts and other business documents been criticized?

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Spade

One large part of this so-called composite sign is that oxygen thieves such as yourself Alice Rachel can come on a public forum like this and spew your vomit with no repercussions. You have absolutely no worth to anyone.

You are right, the forum is public and my statements are clean and undefiled. I don't know what kind of punishment I should receive for sharing my beliefs in a mutual exchange of knowledge, but it sounds threatening to me. Right now I'm having a beer. I suggest you do the same. In the meantime the “public forum” places a safe distance between people like me and people like you.