Posts by Giordano

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Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?

by minimus in

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we were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.

we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.

if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.

Giordano

The answer to this question is...NO!

I knew at sixteen that Jehovah was a made up name for a god that didn't exist. And the WTBTS was a made up religion that did exist....unfortunately.

If we were told that we had to die for the WTBTS that would put an honest face on the question of human sacrifice.

For those that lost family and close friends because the WT said that they had to die for want of a life saving blood transfusion...... Welcome to Jonestown...... pretend poison drinking practice is held 3 evenings a week....... everyone is welcome.

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My Grandmothers Funeral

by Enrique Tomlinson 1 in

my beloved grandmother has passed away and her funeral is next week at a kingdom hall.

she was a loyal jw, and unfortunately i am not understanding of the funeral procedures.

please could you kindly explain what what will happen in the funeral?

Giordano

I am sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that you will have to endure the waste of time a JW funeral service is.

I have attended four close family funeral services over a 30 year period who were 'memorialized' for being a JW. Usually this personal part took 3 to 10 minutes. The next 30 to 40 minutes is a religious corporate recruitment talk....... and self congratulation about how wonderful being a JW is.

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Which songs give you goosebumps?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?

', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.

y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.

Giordano

I've got a better one...... well sort of....... the Kennedy Center tribute to Led Zeppelin.

The band now is considerably older... Robert Plant, guitarist Jimmy Page, bassist/keyboardist John Paul Jones.... then you may remember as they sit in the audience waiting for their final tribute.

Here is what you will see and experience: The Final song is Stairway to Heaven.

Heart........ with Nancy and Ann's vocal and guitar and Jason Bonham on drums is only the start. Slowly each section of the song adds more performers.

It starts to peak with the colossal Jimmy Page guitar solo...some consider maybe the greatest rock solo ever. It's really short so you need to pay attention.

Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart, along with Jason Bonham, playing Stairway to Heaven as a tribute.

Robert Plant looks concerned having women sing his song and in general looks upset at the presentation of Stairway to Heaven.....until.

The Jimmy Page solo by one of the Kennedy Center's core of musicians nails the solo. Page's look of joy told everyone he loved the performance.

During all of this time singers were slowly coming on stage. After the Page solo you can see the families of Zed LEP can't believe their eye's. The stage now has another 30 to 40 more singers who were hidden.

This was a great tribute and performance. If heaven is anything like this..... count me in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqHD52fL58

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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

by JohnTron72 in

i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

Giordano

There's no Adam for gods sake! It's ancient Jewish bull shit based on even more ancient historical fictions.

Lets take a look at the fiction of the Flood. In an insane moment God decides to kill every animal and human on the planet because they are evil. However a small number can take refuge in an ark.

According to the Bible account God caused the death of anyone and thing not on the ark.

Of course there is no record of a world wide flood....no evidence. Doesn't matter..... as it is uneducated religious idiots that maintain that a flood happened.

So here's my point. God wants everyone dead except those on the ARK because otherwise they are all wicked. Every man, women and child? They all deserved to die.

Here's your first Jim Jones moment. They all deserved to die..... even the unborn.

So........ what about the unborn? They deserved to die cause this god said so. I suppose with his innate ability to read the future they were all destined to be wicked and deserved to die in their mommies tummy.

Unfortunately history tells us that the world after this phony flood .....returned to it 's norm...a world of good and bad.

Of Course with this god's ability to see the future somehow he did not have the ability of seeing that the world would return to evil practices.

After all of this....... God is now a colossal failure.

I have one final thought........why didn't he send his son down to that wicked pre flood world with an army of angles to clean up his mess?

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In 1 coordinated night, the congregation collapsed within 60 minutes

by BottleGate_ in

https://old.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ek8tt5/breaking_news_from_japan/.

from post.... "breaking news from japan ... actually quite extraordinary news.

just got off the phone to a good pimo friend in japan.

Giordano

All I can say is WOW! I'd like to get more confirmation on this.

Japan has had an up and down road growing the JW presence...in fact what I understand is little to no growth where once Japan was sited as a strong JW participant.

Can we get more info as to how and why these Elders resigned.

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Rec'd a letter from my Dad - need some advice...

by Fadeaway3pointer in

fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.

not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.

this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.

Giordano

Yes it hurts....but your dad and mom.... are longing for everlasting life. That belief is more important then you.

You are not part of that deal. You can't be on a paradise earth with them and not believe in the Corporation..... the WTBTS.

In truth they don't believe in a religion....just a made up corporation that thought becoming an official religion would save them taxes.

It could have been Amway which would have been a more sane choice..... unfortunately it was the JW's.......no real difference between them they each sold a product door to door. But on family matters one remained part of their family and the other was shunned.

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I can just imagine the hype that is going on in Australia about how close armageddon is now with all of these bushfires occurring.

by smiddy3 in

it brings to mind my niece when she see`s how dry the countryside is ,how armageddon must be so close..

Giordano

smiddy3.... No it has nothing to do with Brush fires it has everything to do with JW pedophiles. When they get on board.... belief wise... they can start to see what the end looks like for them. A disgusting religion.

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Is it possible to nullify a baptism?

by idk123 in

hope you are all well,.

i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.

see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.

Giordano

There are any number of great opinions on this forum but we also know you have a hole in your universe.... family wise.

The simplest way to restore your life with your family is to make a good faith effort to be reinstated. Then a slow fade, school and or a job.

While you endure that for the sake of your parents remember what this effort will cost you. And there is no safeguard that their natural love for you....... which is conditional on your obedience to the Society........ will be restored.

You may be able to remain at home until you are 18. Then it's good by.

So your choice is to go it alone or submit to the religion.

As has been mentioned: There is no respect for this religion it's one of the worst religions out there.

JWs suffer and die every day worldwide because of their ban on a life saving blood transfusion. Which no other religion agrees with. Even the most orthodox Conservative militant Jew.

Believe it or not you have made some friends on this forum...many of us will be interested in what you decide. No one will be disappointed as we have all faced what you have been facing.

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Prayers for special servants

by road to nowhere in

my very much in wife commented with no prompting that they have a hierarchy in prayers.

bless the gb, co, elders, pioneers.

if the ill or shutins are mentioned that is all, not so much as a phone call let alone a visit.

Giordano

The whole idea about being a JW is where you rank. Nothing else matters.

There has been, from Russell's day forward, a level for who is who. The role one plays is important in the pecking order. But believe it or not....not here!

We often follow suit by sharing how many circuit roles we have played, talks given, who we know at Bethel, the years spent pioneering etc. The reality is what we lost being an active JW . Once again that just draws attention to how dumb we were.

The higher you rose the dumber you were.

Does anyone on the GB even pretend to be smart? Maybe the guy who was searching for the best price on a dozen bottles of scotch?

How about those idiots who are the hand maidens to the GB? The helpers? All men of course. Everyone of which warn of a troubled future.

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Another jw convicted of child sex abuse.

by lancelink in

for the past year, the trial for this jw has been going on.

he was sentenced on 12/19 .. http://mchenrycountyblog.com/2019/10/23/13-years-of-sexual-abuse-results-in-37-year-sentence/.

i have been following the comments on fb regarding the aftereffects of this case, and there have been quite a lot of incendiary statements about what a scum he is.. one lady posted the following comments about how the witnesses deal with abusers is quite hilarious :.

Giordano

Anybody that has passed up revealing a child sexual abuse crime....... especially an Elder...... needs to be locked up.

"Only the criminal can make a confession. Therefore, the Elders would not have been breaking any law."

Nonsense if the child's underwear had blood stains....... I'd say that was proof of an assult.

We know Elder's had ample notice of a child sexual abuse issue but decided not to rock the boat.

Giving them a pass violates what Jesus said....

Matthew 19:14 NIV -

https://www.biblegateway.com › passage › search=Matthew+19:14

Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Do you think that child sexual abuse might hinder a child?