Posts by Giordano

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My husband and I told our families we want to disassociate

by erinee in

well, these stories are always fun, right?

let me share mine.. my husband and have been pimo for 2 years.

inactive for one year.

Giordano

The arguments on this forum center around leaving/fading or officially Disassociating to stop any contact from the Elders, Circuit Servant etc.

Unfortunately when your name is called out as in 'S0 and S0 is no longer one of Jehovah's Witness'. You will pay the same price and be lumped in with ex JW sinners.

Simply leaving is your right. Freedom of Religion could not exist without Freedom From Religion.

In fact over 60% of born-ins leave and no longer consider themselves or identify with the JW's according to the Pew religious survey.

Also the JW's have as many divorces (11%) as most every Christian religion according to Pew.

My wife and I faded away back in the mid 1960's. This was a time when you could make it known that you were leaving. DF didn't start until 1981. To be perfectly honest the on going arguments spoiled any feeling of family closeness. To be on our own strengthened our marriage.

Maybe take some time off and put some distance between the congregation and family members....before you decide. Until then you can simply say "we are praying to Jehovah about certain issues that have stumbled us.....thank you for your concern"

Or you can say that returning is always a possibility but not until the Society cleans up it's pedophile problem.

Jesus said to his followers "do not hinder the little children from coming to me" I would think child sexual abuse would be considered as a crime against the little children and one hell of a hindrance.

Keep in touch.........we know the issues of leaving because we have all chosen a path away from the JW construct.

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My kids are watching Atheist Content on Youtube!

by Miriam in

i was looking at my children's watch history on youtube when i saw that they were watching atheist content!!!

what should i do?

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Giordano

Miriam I get the feeling you kind of stumbled in here only to learn that obviously....... we are for the most part....... ex Jw's. Or at the least people who are still in..... because of family.

The information in answer to your concerns has been reasonable. Your concern leaves us with no understanding of who and what your children are or who and what kind of parent you are.

What we have to offer on this forum are parents, adults who have a found a way to leave the JW world with some dignity. There are a lot of issues re the WTBTS in many respects that demonstrate that they are more dangerous then Jonestown where 'only' 1,000 plus people committed suicide in one night.

Based on medical records at least 1000 JW's each year since 1940 (73,000 thousand to date) have accepted the ban on blood doctrine and died before their time...... or suffered beyond reason. This is based on the start of the ban in 1940.

My wife and I have lost two uber JW's in our families to a death that they need not have experienced ....not as young as they were.

At the very least remove the suicide cards you carry in your purse or wallet that cover you or your children with a ban on blood. Your not pleasing Jehovah. By the way His name was made up in the Catholic Church by a Monk . The WT Society has admitted to this.

You need to understand this ban on blood was a made up doctrine to set the JW's apart. They didn't need to be set apart with a dangerous belief....... they needed to be kept safe.

Your children are more important then the entire governing body and professional bethelites who haven't accomplished anything more important then your children have.

Their reading other things ....thank god for the internet.

Until the internet the Mormons never knew that their hound dog .....Joseph Smith..........had 30 wives.

Guess what you can discover for yourself if you......... like your children...... do your own research.

How do you feel about pedophiles? There are 23,000 who attend the different JW kingdom halls in the USA and who are on record with the WTBTS as pedophiles.

Jesus said "do not hinder the young children from coming to me". That's all you need to know.

The bull shit the Society supports is all you need to disregard. Jesus is the lost sole of the WTBTS. Being pro Jehovah when we were supposed to be Jesus's witnesses is part of their calculation.

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My kids are watching Atheist Content on Youtube!

by Miriam in

i was looking at my children's watch history on youtube when i saw that they were watching atheist content!!!

what should i do?

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Giordano

Encourage them to watch more if the programs make sense re science, history etc.

Your job as a parent is to help your children think for themselves and not be controlled, in the near future, by a failed religion like the JW's, the Mormon's, Scientology etc.

A highly controlled belief system promotes delusional beliefs.

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*WARNING SUICIDE RELATED POST

by Annamouse in

bit of background: a couple of years ago i was reproved after i slept with a brother that i was in love with but we were not married.

in fairness, the elders were kind and supportive.

the problem is, i had always been the model witness before that.

Giordano

Pete Zahut said it best:

JW's tend to forget that the moral code they follow and refer to as "Gods Law", was meant to be a protection for mankind not a means to catch them out and punish them. They tend to emphasize the punishment and sin aspect rather than the intent of the of the moral laws they follow.

Couldn't have said it better.

Now it's time to get real so you can truly get well.

You are worth more then the foolishness of untrained Elders who are ever ready to monitor your morals, strengths and weaknesses. Most of whom barely have a high school education.

Believing in religions can be very dangerous. Most religions don't believe that you need to be controlled and taught an ever changing theology........... Others want to control you body and mind.

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If you're "anointed" don't seek out other "anointed" so says the Watchtower January 2020

by RolRod in

when i was affiliated with the witnesses, there were barely 6,000 who profess to be of the anointed remnant.

i recently read somewhere that today there are over 20,000 who profess to be anointed.

that figure may be more when you consider those who meet and partake privately for fear of the stigma of claiming to be anointed.

Giordano

What's creepy is a bunch of under educated people managed to construct a religion built on the bones of Adventist beliefs and the Great Pyramid, set an end time, then reset it many times over, banned blood which helped to kill off many of their believers, did not encourage higher education until they needed college level volunteers, and consistently painted their religion into a corner based on faulty research and hair brained ideas.

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The future of the Watchtower Society

by mickygrey in

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i left way back in 2002, seems a long time ago now and i haven't really kept up with any developments since.. i've kept one ear open and noticed recently there is talk of the wt being investigated over the sex abuse cover ups, but over the years this story has come in and out of the news.. what is everybody's predictions as to the future of the borg?

i know what most people want to happen, but realistically, are we just looking at certain elements being hit because of the restructuring they did a few years ago to protect from this very thing?

looking further ahead, you'd like to think that more people would wake up?

Giordano

Hi Mickey thanks for stopping by.

The WTBTS is now in the same boat as the Christian Scientists and the Scientologists and any number of other made up religions that have demonstrated that they have no real value for any community.

Like these other religions the JW's made up shit and then painted themselves into a corner.

And now they have a huge pedophile problem......... similar to other organizations and churches. Don't tell....keep it a secret!....was the WT way to mitigate this problem. But for a number of reason's it's worse.

It takes two witnesses to bring charges within the JW congregation. A big part of this stems from the old Jewish rule of needing ' two witnesses' to accuse a person of a crime.

The JW's purposely go into prisons to spread their good news. It doesn't take a pedophile prisoner very long to understand that being associated with the JW community is an open pass to grooming children........ for sexual abuse.

Any pedophiles out there who understand the protections they will have ....... will more then willingly covert to the JW religion and readily take advantage of the blind sided 'friends'.

Unfortunately JW Elders are taught to view sexual crime...... as a sin ,,,,,,,so like mold...... child sexual abuse within the congregation......... grows.

It was discovered during the recent Australia Royal Commission into religious sexual child abuse............. (Google ARC or the Jehovah's Witness pedophile problem for more information).

That from 1950 to the present day, the JW Branch in Australia kept files on 1005 cases of reported sexual abuse and not a one was ever turned over to the authorities. Worse then that you could be DF if you brought the crime to the police.

Here in the USA it is possible that the WTBTS has 23,000 pedophile reports on file.

The Society is a joke and is failing every day and every way to keep their authority intact and their numbers. Their pedophile court cases are a disaster which is one of the primary reasons they are selling off Kingdom Halls.

No State or Country takes them seriously at this point in time.

JWs are paying it forward according to the Pew religious survey. 67% of born-ins no longer identify with being a JW.

Among all the religions surveyed by the Pew survey....... the JW's have the least higher education and have the least income.

All of this you can Google.

jwfacts.com provides another great service. Under 'reasons to be disfellowshiped' the Society lists over 100 reasons you can be DFed....... It's all madness.

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Algebra

by HappyDad in

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what the hell?

it's after 4 am here in minnesota and my brain just won't shut down.

of all things....in the middle of the night,algebra is bugging me.

Giordano

I can see right from the get go Recovering that you are a serious person.

My intention was to add an extra bit of non-sequitur levity.

You should consider asking your doctor about a malaise that can effect one's funny bone.

In the words of Robert Plant "Does anyone remember laughter?"

To this day Mr. Plant is still embarrassed anytime he hears his attempt at humor.

I am therefore in good company.

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People that are shunned and those that shun mimic slavery

by Yomama in

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so im reading this book 1619 about slavery then it dawned on me that shunning like slavery emotionally rips apart families.

if you look at romans 1:32 study note under natural afection they tell on themselves if you cannnot love your familey you cannot love others wow just wow try shareing that point with your pimi relatives..

Giordano

Jesus and his followers did not write anything down or if they did........ nothing survived.

So we are left with an oral tradition in the years that followed. Which means those oral stories about Jesus followed the Roman Trade Routes and needed to be translated into many different languages. And adjusted to the life culture of different nationalities.That translation process would have meant scribes in each of those languages who were themselves enslaved or freemen in the employment of rich and powerful persons.

So maybe Jesus did say something about slavery. It would certainly be in keeping with his humanitarian side.

It occurs to me that the rich owner of a slave plantation, factory, mill or earthworks might have 'suggested' to his scribe that anything Jesus said in the oral translation that was negative about Slavery and anything he said in favor of women's rights should not be added to the account.

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Algebra

by HappyDad in

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friends

what the hell?

it's after 4 am here in minnesota and my brain just won't shut down.

of all things....in the middle of the night,algebra is bugging me.

Giordano

I never had a need for Algebra ......Trying to master Algebra destroyed my basic math skills for a long period of time. This was in the 8th and 9th grade,

In my entire life time, some 76 years and counting....I haven't needed higher math....shit I am higher math.....bite me.

I have never had a need for Algebra. Nor have I ever looked into a colonoscopy scope while it's up my butt.

I'd be happy to look at a bra but that's is far as I need to go.

It's all about the basics .... Algebra has nothing to do with real life, Building something ....sure. But what's important is:

How is my family doing.

How much money was in my check book or savings account.....did we forget to pay the rent or our monthly mortgage? What about my tab at my local bar?

My income and my debts.

My tax obligations.

My investments. Up. Down or sideways....will Algebra help? Hell No!

Not running out of gas. Keeping track of State auto inspections and licenses and oil changes. No Algebra there.

Getting my teeth cleaned by a dentist who still thinks I can comment on his stupid point of view when his fingers and tools are in my mouth.

Finding floor number one.......or the ground floor..... or the Basement........ it's always different in every building. when I am in an elevator. And........ I've forgotten......... for a moment........... why I am in it. It's sometimes the simplest things and a busy mind juggling two or more things that makes you stop and review where you are and why you are there. It's the insanity of daily living and balancing obligations that can stop you in place until you sort it out. Algebra can't help.

Negotiating strange airports, shuttles and rental cars. I always start with 'Why the hell am I here?. Wheres a Bar?

I never needed Algebra to bring down a deer during hunting season. To be honest I have never shot an animal but I needed to throw a shoe at my neighbors dog.....while I was climbing over their fence....long story.

I have never had a conservation with a medical doctor, Dentist etc. that involved Algebra. Just my health issues which are complicated enough.

I have never talked to an elected State official or college professor that involved Algebra. Bribes and political correctness .......sure.

The list goes on for thousands of reasons why I don't need nor have I ever needed Algebra.

Which makes me a happy man. While I may have missed out on Algebra I have also missed out of jumping out of an airplane........... when it's not on the ground.

By the way I play competitive chess once a week...... No algebra allowed ......but cigars are ok.

My world is an algebraic free world. And I stand behind that.

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People that are shunned and those that shun mimic slavery

by Yomama in

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friends

so im reading this book 1619 about slavery then it dawned on me that shunning like slavery emotionally rips apart families.

if you look at romans 1:32 study note under natural afection they tell on themselves if you cannnot love your familey you cannot love others wow just wow try shareing that point with your pimi relatives..

Giordano

Jesus didn't address slavery....he never said 'free the slaves'. There was a cost factor in caring for one's slave's but there was also a stronger profit motive. Slavery worked....... unless you were a slave.

The fact that Jesus never really addressed this issue casts a sense of doubt on his motives and actions. Slaves........ the meekest of the meek inhabited...nothing.

On the one hand you have a Jesus who is all nice and fuzzy. Then again you have a Jesus who doesn't give a crap about slaves.

Jesus was running for the office of the 'anointed one'......... Nothing else mattered.

Since Jesus never wrote anything down nor did his followers in his life time....... all we have to work with is a guy who bypassed one of the great issues of his day and kept slavery going until this very day.

He could have said slavery was wrong......he didn't. So much for Jesus and all of the Old and New testament. In fact it supported Slavery which still goes on to this day. Indentured servants....indeed.

Lets call it what it is....... slavery.