Posts by Giordano

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I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

by AlainAlam in

background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

Giordano

The Jehovah's Witnesses kill off more of their followers every year then Jim Jones managed to do in one night. Jim Jones was a drug induced criminal who saw death as the way out of this world. So does the Governing Body.

The Governing body favors death for their followers...for want of a blood transfusion.....over sane medical practices. They are criminals in my opinion.

With their 'end time' beliefs the JW's are a certifiable death cult. It's all about them being right and looking forward to the death of 8 billion people who are not JW's.....well before their time.

Eating or drinking blood is separate from a blood transfusion. A blood transfusion is not eating it's a transplant. But like every doctrine the WT has favored they are wrong because they support an answer before any proof is looked at. Being wrong on this scale is deadly.

According to the Pew Religious Survey .......The divorce rate for JW's is 11% which is the same as most Christian religions.

The higher educational religion of the JW's is the lowest of those religions surveyed. It's high school and out (pioneering).

Even the Society sent out a letter calling for volunteers who had a college background.

WTF!

67% of JW born-ins stop identifying as JW's compared to 30% of Mormons.

Being a JW is being in a dead end religion. The hope it offers is building a paradise (the bible never mentions 'Paradise earth') over the bones of Billions of innocent people.

Like it or not not those Billions are not going to be resurrected......just as we've never heard from Jesus again for over 2000 years.

AA you need to grow up. Reworking Bible crap is never any good. Go get an education.

Get some fresh thinking in your life....there is nothing worth while in the bible unless your prone to be anti human.

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Personal story

by Youngaposthate in

i was raised in this sect, 1st gen. was isolated from any family.

had suicidal attempts because of this sect.

family as always instead of being a backbone of support, victim blamed.

Giordano

Here is a fine web site that agrees with you Totally.

http://journeyfree.org/rts/rts-its-time-to-recognize-it/;

Take a look and see what you think.

That's the unspoken rule on this forum........ you get to decide what's right for you and what you can agree about or not agree about.

Another interesting point of view is that the American President and five star General Dwight Eisenhower was raised as a International Bible Student which was guided by the Watchtower and their idiot Golden Age that became the Awake magazine.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/56651/president-eisenhower-his-jehovahs-witness-background

The Kingdom Hall was in the families living room.

His father dropped the religion and his brothers dropped out of the religion as well. His mother kept the ever changing faith.

I think it was ironic that an ex JW would become a general and was driven to not only defeat Hitler and his Nazi's who then opened the concentration camps to save as many lives as he and his army could.

Apparently Jehovah was too busy creating black holes in the solar system and cared not a wit for all of the people who died in the gas chambers.

A loving god, misnamed Jehovah, has never been supportive of human life.

My thought....... life is all about being a worth while human not a worshiper of any nasty god.

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Coronavirus Positive

by snare&racket in

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hey all,.

i'm day six of isolation, confirmed to have coronavirus.

i have been seeing very sick cv positive patients over the last month in my a&e role (emergency physician) it was inevitable i would contract it.. just wanted to give some symptom and treatment advice, it's anecdotal but may help.. started as sore throat and headache, then croaky voice, then dry cough, then episodic transient fevers, all this over the first few days.

Giordano

You are a hero and obviously raised children who are hero's.

Thank you for your wise words and your clear and concise understanding of this disease. We hope to have your wisdom and experience on going.

Your a bright light in a dark forest.

When the Society speaks about new light I will look past them and see you.

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Are the JWs are doing field service while corona?

by iliketreasure in

hey guys,.

i'm out of the jws for 12 years now and stopped thinking about the whole thing a long time ago.. but recently, i wondered how jws deal with corona?

i've read on the forums that they suspended meetings and tried to hold them online.. but are they still doing field service?.

Giordano

I find it amazing that they have to tell their followers to "don't feel guilty about suspended preaching work" when that was their plan after all. You've got to attend meetings, you must go out and knock on doors.

The Society was and is always reckless with the health, education and general welfare of their followers.

It's a cult people....... and the only hallmarks are obedience and contributions.

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What SHOULD have woken you up ?

by Phizzy in

for myself, there is an embarrassingly long list of things that really should really have woken me up, fully.

it was a long process for me, as a mind controlled born in, things i simply did not agree with, or knew were downright wrong, that built and built, and, eventually i woke up, after 58 bloody years in !.

but just mainly for fun, what should have woken you up ?.

Giordano

At the age of 16...... I was given a book called the True Believer by Eric Hoffer. After reading that I knew that being a JW was a sham because of the Society.

The people in the congregation were pretty good to me.......... of course this was in the late 50's and 60's. When the JW life style was more relaxed. A lot of parties and assembles where you could flirt with a pretty sister.

I by-passed Bethel and went off to pioneer where the need was great. I disdained the Society and my focus was on the Friends in our congregation. I did a damn good job of it. Ministry school servant , assn't presiding minister and all around go to guy.

I was awake to the mistakes of the WTBTS but back in the day this was only a feeling that they were getting stuff wrong. I had no other sources to consult and maybe I didn't want to know we were idiots believing in their garbage.

My bride was a casual JW........ She was 17 and I was 19 when we married. We courted for two years. We are still married some 57 years later. A very happy and productive marriage.

Since she never really believed.... she concentrated on our marriage....... while I was left to struggle with the porous beliefs that were promoted by the WTBTS. I finally gave up on this religion.

I realized it was a fool's errand as soon as I understood that this religion offered nothing.

What finished it for me was Armageddon....were we really taught that billions would die so we could build a paradise earth over their bones?

The Ban on Blood....in those days no serious surgery could be preformed without a supply of blood. JW family members..... ours..... were dying because they couldn't get the medical treatment they needed. It was an individuals choice.....but it wasn't sitting well for us.

The discouragement of higher education was a drawback. After we left we realized we needed to grow up and learn how to live in the real world.

We moved from the congregation we had been serving in..... for the past three years..... and never heard a word from anyone ever again. When you were out....you were out. Family that were in........ wanted little contact.

We grew up quickly and made our way forward. By our mid 20's we were both accomplished professionals making a good living.

We have lived our lives beyond anyone else's standards.We are both Humanists and have worked as unpaid community volunteers for the last 30 years.

We live in a city of 7,000 and have close to 200 friends. We actually counted them one morning and were surprised we had so many fine relationships. We even have a couple of JW friends who want out.

Always happy to lend a helping hand.

The Mormon's now dominate in our city......the JW's are never heard from.

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Generally Speaking Do You Trust Your Government?

by minimus in

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as a us citizen, i am usually a bit skeptical of what comes out of the mouths of government officials.

often they may speak the truth but i’m not convinced of whatever they are saying as being 100% true.

do you believe your government implicitly?

Giordano

I am for anything that can stop this tragedy unfolding.

Unfortunately Trump is way out of his depth. He can't function during this outbreak. He doesn't understand science or history. He appoints the most incapable people. But always people who will say Yes to the Hump.

He's playing golf in Lago Mar when people are dying.

He's so rooted in his Narcissism he can't see anything but himself. Just tweet's and he changes the facts when they don't confirm his dishonesty. Even Fox has woken up and are abandoning him.

His remaining followers are truly the deplorable's. They got their guns and their white supremacy and their ignorant religious views and their home schooling and no vaccines.

And by the way those of you who are not Americans........ how about a little shut the hell up. Tend to your own nest and your own country.

America staggers under the weight of other countries who depend on our military for protection.

If we go down...... put out the Russian and Chinese flags.... cause your toast.

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Never been so ashamed of the JW's

by snare&racket in

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just wait until this is done!

excitedly awaiting the deaths of potentially millions, to get their log cabin by a lake and a tiger is reprehensible!

disgusting!

Giordano

The Fall Guy we may disagree on this or that but the following rings true:

"The self-proclaimed "faithful slave" is pushing their little Armageddon boat out yet again. Only to sink again!"
Well said!
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Are YOU a JW parasite?

by The Fall Guy in

every single member of the worldwide order of special full-time servants of jehovah’s witnesses (yb16 p. 176 2015 grand totals) – which includes all of the governing body, all bethelites, every jw missionary, every circuit overseer, and all special pioneers – are worse than people without* faith!

because they have all signed a vow of poverty which renders them as parasites, living off other people's earnings.

where in the bible is that a “principle”?

Giordano

Or am I genuinely missing something?
Exactly who/what paid for your room & board and gave you your $14 dollars per month? Donations, charity. You were living off others for your accommodation and meals. That's the truth.

Bethelites did take a vow of poverty. Pioneers and Elder's did not and do not take a vow of Poverty.

Since you didn't read my post I was not at Bethel so I got nothing. If you understood Bethel life they worked 5 1/2 days a week for that 14$ a month. I don't know what its up to now ?

Your spinning some Ann Rand bullshit. Your just reusing some crappy political conservative idea that people should not contribute to the religion of their choice or the country of their choice. Or any charity they feel strongly about.

People take their money and decide how and what they will spend it on.

No JW I ever worked with asked for a couple of bucks from a householder or begged for anything.

In the JW world believers shared a little of their money to further the work.

I and thousands of pioneers earned our daily bread...... there were no handouts to pioneers by people who could barely pay their bills. There were no handouts to Bethelites. Those people worked for basically nothing in pay. Free food and board? It was available at homeless shelters around the corner from Bethel.

The reality is that the Society...... the shit heads they were...... was self funded by contributions by followers that believed in the religion. And funds from their publishing company.

The shit heads AT the top of the food change got the perks.

The hardest working apostle (Paul) never expected anyone to support him when he was witnessing. He worked to pay his own way in life.

That's bullshit. When Jesus started his ministry did he ever work a day again as a carpenter? Probably not.

Paul may have set up his tent work when he was running out of money..... but he was too busy writing letters to the faithful and visiting countries by boat which were on the Roman trade routes. How did he manage to pay for that?

Like Jesus...... people who liked his message probably put some coin in his hand.

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Are YOU a JW parasite?

by The Fall Guy in

every single member of the worldwide order of special full-time servants of jehovah’s witnesses (yb16 p. 176 2015 grand totals) – which includes all of the governing body, all bethelites, every jw missionary, every circuit overseer, and all special pioneers – are worse than people without* faith!

because they have all signed a vow of poverty which renders them as parasites, living off other people's earnings.

where in the bible is that a “principle”?

Giordano

Why? Because they have all signed a vow of poverty which renders them as parasites, living off other people's earnings.

Only a dumb shit would come to that conclusion. Maybe that happens in England and other countries but not in the USA. Maybe the special pioneers signed a vow of Poverty but us regular Pioneers were on our own. We worked side jobs so we could buy food.

Being in Bethel in the late 1950's to 1960's meant only board and room. In return Bethel provided an allowance of $14 a month. That's right $14 freaking dollars a month just about enough to ride the subway three times a week to get to your appointed congregation.

The $14 a month was for a Five and a Half day WEEK....... 4 weeks a month. Let me break it down for you, this was hard labor and their pay was basically 30 cents an hour. So I don't know what the fuck your talking about.

Everybody worked. Be it Bethel, the missionaries, pioneers, circuit servants and everybody who served in the congregations.

No one of that class was abusing any tax payer or community funding. It was up to them to go it alone. I was one of those people 100 to 150 hours in service scrambling to find.....any...... by the hour..... job.... so I could buy a few cans of food and instant coffee.

As always idiot opinions make up their own fiction.

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Bro. Frank Sartin (Lancashire area, UK)

by SBlackwell in

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i am no longer one of jehovah's witnesses, but i can remember the excellent talks given by the above frank sartin, an elder and i think at one time a zone overseer in the lancashire area of the uk.

upon doing some research i read that he died back in 2015. .

does anyone else remember him?.

Giordano

Welcome SBlackwell.

Many brothers had the 'gift' of speaking. They could draw you in with their personalized talking style making it feel that they are just talking to you.

There were brothers I really grew to like during my formative years from 12 to 18. Brothers in arms....... that sort of thing.

But like a number of JW characteristics it was more an act or set piece. When the first insurmountable doubts began to show up in your speech or ideas or review of known history....... these buddies..... pillars of love and encouragement...... just melted away.

My wife and I pioneered where the need was great for three years. I gave talks all over the circuit, held three congregation positions (No Elders in those days).

We even helped finance a proper KH instead of the store front KH.

When we decided to leave and get some job training that was the last we heard from the congregation. It was as if we no longer existed.

Well we did just fine on our own but what we really learned was that there was no acceptance for any out of the box thinking.

My close friend for three years, the presiding minister of the congregation, went silent after we left. The time we provided a loan to save his home, the talks I gave like 30 in the first year alone, using my own dimes to make a 100 mile round trip to give a public talk. The 100 hours of service per month I gave, the bible studies and literature placement that kept the Circuit servant off his back was all for nothing relationship wise.

This was the JW way to treat ex JW's. People like us that just stopped believing, went our own way. It never mattered that the original belief system of the JW had to be subjected to constant new light.

It was about obedience not faith.