Posts by Listener

the whole court victory of candace brings into sharp focus the fundamental flaw with the jehovah's witnesses, and one that all jws need to think on because it has absolutely nothing to do with 'apostate' teachings, their cherished doctrines or persecution.. when the truth can no longer speak the truth, it has become the lie.. it should be obvious (but will not be) to all jws that the watchtower society, its leaders and any other entity related to it, are not able to morally defend their position.

being unwilling to own up and publicly admit the policies on abuse perpertrators has been deliberatly flawed, that they have failed the children and families demonstrates they can no longer speak truth.. that they cannot apologise says they cannot speak truth, that they would appeal a court of law for chastising them by awarding such a payout says they cannot speak truth.. that the governing body hide behind a legal corporation and its legal department says they cannot speak truth, for the truth is out.

the truth is that their 'signed' policy letters to elders detailing instructions on how to comply with laws while not really complying, on how to destroy documents and how to draw up new lists after removing names are now in the public domain like it or not.

Listener

The issues go so far beyond that of a legal situation and must be addressed by the Governing Body. They have no choice because they have reported and commented on molestation within the Catholic Church in their very own magazines. They have to be public about this otherwise they are knowingly setting themselves up to be shown as hypocrites.

It doesn't even matter whether they feel they were wronged in the outcome of this case because now they are down on public record, worldwide, but also have been judged through a legal court. That judgement declared them as being malicious, not simply in error.

With thousands of people having read about this case they have to defend themselves, if they can. They are using God's name, they declare God is directing him by his Holy spirit, they say their appointments are done by God's Holy Spirit. Unfortunately for them when information is printed in the media Jehovah's name is declared and they must defend the use of it.

The congregations and elders have acted on direct instructions from the organization and there is no-one else they can blame and they can't hide.

I can only hope that they begin to see that they need to always act with love and demonstrate the true qualities of God and Jesus and uphold this as their priority. There is much work for them to do and such little time.

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The light keeps diminishing

by Slidin Fast in

today's wt says it all.

read this, it accurately portrays the last 50 years of fading light from the saddest bunch of con-men in history.. 15 to answer, imagine that you are reading a book by the light of a 100-watt bulb, but then the bulb fails.

since you are left in the dark, you immedi- ately notice what happened and replace the burned-out bulb with a new one.

Listener

No wonder they had to make a special announcement to advise the WT was being reduced from 32 pages to 16 pages, otherwise no-one would have noticed.

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Plaintiff awarded in punitive damages -21M & 1 dollar. Total award, 28M & 1 dollar. Here's more info

by AndersonsInfo in

the plaintiff, candace conti's goal from the very beginning was to bring enough attention to this problem to incentivize watchtower to change its policy of secrecy.

the award can be explained as it was decided: separate compensatory and punitive damages.

the punitive award is established in law to punish wrongdoing - here, the conscious disregard for others - and deter that conduct in the future.

Listener

Many cases have been settled out of court and gag orders placed. Candace has certainly shown a very genuine concern for others and placed them above her own interest.

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BBC News Program Not Broadcast Since 1995

by jamiebowers in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhsnd5hei3s&feature=share.

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i'm wondering if any of uk jwn members know any of these people or could pssibly look them up to see how they're doing today..

Listener

It was interesting how the presenter viewed the way they deal with molesters. He states that they are a law unto themselves, where they deal with molesters themselves rather than taking the matter to the police. A law unto themselves....a very dangerous cult indeed.

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NEW LIGHT in latest Watchtower!!!

by The Searcher in

literally hundreds and hundreds of quotations like the one below have been made, to "prove" that only the heavenly -hopers are "sons of god".

(type in 'spiritual sons of god' in cd rom).

"jehovah forgives the error of the other sheep on the basis of jesus shed blood of the covenant.

Listener

Mind Blown, there has been a lot of discussions about this in previous threads, if you click on the Search button and enter your search words you will find some. Here is one

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213247/1/Jesus-is-NOT-the-Mediator-for-the-Great-Crowd

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NEW LIGHT in latest Watchtower!!!

by The Searcher in

literally hundreds and hundreds of quotations like the one below have been made, to "prove" that only the heavenly -hopers are "sons of god".

(type in 'spiritual sons of god' in cd rom).

"jehovah forgives the error of the other sheep on the basis of jesus shed blood of the covenant.

Listener

That is probably a contradiction and thanks for bringing it to our attention.

There is a Watchtower Article 3/1/09 that discusses more in depth about God's children. This is some of it

"...The way Jehovah arranges his children in two groups actually contributes to the harmony of his family...The first group, 'the things in heavens' consists of the children of God who Jehovah selects to form a government....Jehovah is also gathering 'the things on the earth' that is, millions of people earth wide, in order that they can eventually become his earthly children...

Basically, they say that the 144,000 are now children of God and the other sheep will become children of God when perfected at the end of 1,000 years.

I think the current article is a contradiction as I doubt they would put that in the public magazine rather than the study one. It's because of this inconsistancy that many JWs do not know that Jesus is not their mediator, or his children.

It is very poor writing, poor research, poor understanding and poor follow-up checking.

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Sparlock Drives My Wife to the Brink of Apostasy

by breakfast of champions in

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i reported the other night that we sat down to watch the new video, and while my wife was smiling and laughing while watching the first part, she stiffened and became quiet during part two.

it disturbed her deeply:.

"this is ridiculous.

Listener

NewChapter said "THEY made up Sparlock. That was okay though." This just dawned on yesterday.

It wasn't Satan, the world or some misguided individual but it was the organisation that created it and then proceed to teach a lesson that was based on a figment of their imagination.

What they did was create or make up a character called Sparlock and then proceeded to treat him as if he had magical qualities and threw him out. How much stranger can it get?

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Today's WT: A Warning To You Loyal Witnesses

by metatron in

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it happens without warning.

you have a stroke.

you get ms. you are in a car accident.. they put you in the hospital.

Listener

I don't recall coming across an article that says its okay for a JW to accept help from their disfellowshipped relatives.