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No more doubts for me! Good-bye JWN! We have THE TRUTH!

by DATA-DOG in

i could go on and on about my personal journey over the last 2 years or so, but i don't need to.

everything i needed to hear to finally lay my doubts to rest happened on one meeting night.

it could only be divine providence.

Listener

"M.E.P.S. Only Jehovah could put his idea for M.E.P.S into a human mind. Just like the Tabernacle builders of old who received the Holy Spirit to invent never before seen "socket pedastles", the humble brothers were able to design M.E.P.S. No other organization on earth could have done this. This is 100% proof that JWs have the truth and are being used exclusively by Jehovah."

From the sounds of it, this is what was being said at the meeting DD attended.

The Insight book provides further detail regarding the building of the Tabernacle and states

"Design Jehovah had spoken to Moses in the mountain, giving him the complete pattern for the tabernacle, commanding him: “See that you make all things after their pattern that was shown to you in the mountain.” It served in providing “a shadow of the heavenly things” and therefore had to be accurate to the least detail. (Heb 8:5) Jehovah inspired Bezalel and Oholiab, so that the work, which others including both men and women shared in, could be done perfectly, according to the instructions Moses gave. The result was: “According to all that Jehovah had commanded Moses, that was the way the sons of Israel did all the service.”

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004295

To be noted from the article is that God spoke directly to Moses explaining the pattern required and Bezalel and Oholiab were inspired to carry out the work, so that it could be done perfectly.

This would suggest that the JWs claim that God spoke directly to that MEPS designer who then instructed some chief workers to follow out those instruction with the help of inspiration from the holy spirit.

If this is really so, it is no wonder DD wants to go back.

The only flaw to this is that the tabernacle was perfect, the MEPS system isn't, so I'm sure DD will be returning.

I couldn't find anything to confirm that the tabernacle builders were the first to invent these socket pedestales, even so, if they had been then it was from God's direct instruction and inspiration.

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No more doubts for me! Good-bye JWN! We have THE TRUTH!

by DATA-DOG in

i could go on and on about my personal journey over the last 2 years or so, but i don't need to.

everything i needed to hear to finally lay my doubts to rest happened on one meeting night.

it could only be divine providence.

Listener

More important than the ability to translate is how accurate is the information that they are translating.

10

A simple test.

by Lightgrowsbrighter in

(for source information, please scroll down to the bottom of this post.).

simple test.

am i a christian or a pharisee?

Listener

Wow lightgrowsbrighter, I thought those questions were great and then I read your source, that's just amazing. Great find.

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New video of interviews with Famous active and former Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwfacts in

jw
friends

i have put together a mash up of active and former jehovah's witnesses, including a number of interesting interviews.. http://youtu.be/ozwvh57erro.

as a side note, i hope it does not get removed for copyright violation, as software automatically scans for pieces of music and i have already received some violation messages.

the video does comply with fair usage laws, as the music is relevant to the commentary..

Listener

Interesting JWFacts, I ever knew that about Naomi Campbell. You're going to get some very interesting comments left on your youtube.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses treat Watchtower publications like Idols

by Watchtower-Free in

a facebook page that really needs to be trolled.

i believe this pic is the administrator of the page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/jehovahs-witnesses-poems/187324991392156.

Listener

Their was this example related in a Watchtower magazine, encouraging JWs to do the same

w64 9/15 574 - Kneel down before reading the Watchtower
In contrast to the attitude of these elective elders was that of an elderly couple with whom I stayed on the outskirts of Richmond, Virginia. The brother went down to get the mail before breakfast, and when we had breakfast he said, "Brother Riemer, I got a new Watchtower this morning, and do you know the first thing that Ma and I do when we get that Tower? We kneel down before we take the wrapper off and ask Jehovah to make us worthy to see what the message is that Jehovah has for us. Now, before we take the wrapper off, will you kneel down and pray with us?" How different that elective elder was from this humble couple who appreciated Jehovah's organization!

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What if the nations would have submitted to God's Kingdom in 1914?

by processor in

though i have written this for the alternative daily text, it is quite serious.

jws complain that the nations refused to submit to god's kingdom in 1914. what if they had done this?.

the kings of the earth take their stand and high officials gather together as one against jehovah and against his anointed one.

Listener

I guess the org. would say that the Governments are ultimately controlled by Satan and he was unwilling to hand them over.

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The rich and the WT

by Crazyguy in

i was told by a friend that the wt sends out brothers to wine and dine rich jw's and then asks them to donate large amounts of money and land etc.

this person knows first hand as he said because he has a wealthy friend that this was done to.

anyone else have this experience or heard about this?

Listener

I would say the practice probably goes way back to Rutherford. He was personally gifted Beth Sarim by a rich brother. He wanted the record to say that he would not accept the gift unless he could then gift it to the WTBTS on his death.

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Kim's call to HQ's...

by Newly Enlightened in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xltqvpy6i0q.

Listener

This would be one of the best video's I've seen where there has been a call to the org. It really exposes their lies for all to see.

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Naughtiness in my bathroom

by usualusername in

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friends

i have some guests coming over to spend xmas with me for a couple of days.

they are my friends family and i have a larger place than them and am playing host.. dilemma.

they are christians and i have some postcards in my bathroom that are slightly naughty.

Listener

If you can easily take them down then you should do so, otherwise cover them. It is not appropriate for children to see these things.

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The packages will arrive today... What do you think will happen?

by Faithful Witness in

i have decided that ignoring my niece and nephew during the holidays, is the most unloving thing i could possibly do.

they stopped celebrating christmas and birthdays, after my sister began studying with jw's about 6-7 years ago.

we did not celebrate either, until 3 years ago, when my son was 2 and my daughter was 4, and we'd figured out that the jw's are wrong about this decision.

Listener

This is another weird thing with the jw's. Their not thanking you for the gifts may well indicate that they have been accepted and used/eaten. Their conscience does not allow them to thank you because then they would be seen as publicly accepting these gifts whereas if they keep quiet no-one knows what they've done with the presents. It's the type of twisted thinking that JWs find themselves involved with.

A really committed JW would be more likely to return the gifts with a thank you note and reminding you that they cannot accept the gift but they still appreciate your thoughtfullness.