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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Listener

In true Watchtower Cult behaviour the family can't just discuss their preparation for the convention in a normal manner, they make a family worship night of it. This elevates the arrangements to beyond practicalities and glorifying the GB and their provisions. This is also enhanced by their crazy ideas that these are theocratic arrangements.

It's so funny that they encourage the sheepies to do a dry run, what an honor this must be to be involved in a pilgramage. This is made even more special by the personal appearance of GB members whom they put on a pedestal by advertising that they will be there and telecasted from that location to many others. Yep, they get to see them live, in concert, all for the cost of a mantra ticket - bargain, the City of Atlanta thank them sincerely.

Regarding the scripture of Revelation 7:9 that they discuss, who needs Armageddon when they themselves have already identified who the great crowd of Revelation is? Talk about running ahead of Jehovah. That was supposed to be a future event. I just don't understand why they haven't instructed them to wear white robes.

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What's more to blame- the WT or the bible?

by keyser soze in

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friends

aren't they both just differen't variations of the same lie?

the only difference is the scale on which their impact on humanity is measured.

that, and the fact that the bible can exist without the wt, but not vice versa.. but at the end of the day, what's the difference between claiming to be the inspired word of god, or the one true religion?

Listener

The bible is just the tool. It is men who misuse it to promote their own agenda.

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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Listener

"excited with the partnership with downtown Atlanta"

It is clear that this is a promotional video. They are advertising the City of Atlanta, including it's train service. They are getting themselves so tangled in with the World of Commercialism.

In the past we have seen Awake articles written about the Cities that their conventions are being held in and it was obvious that as part of their 'arrangement' for holding a convention they would promote that City in order to recieve benefits that the WTBTS could cash in on. They have moved a long way from actively being viewed as 'no part of this world'.

The original link provided has been disabled. I found I was able to view it by clicking on the link then highlighting the link and pasting it into my web browser. Another method would be to go to the Youtube website then key 'time of your life altlanta convention' into the Youtube search field.

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1975 end prediction

by FL_Panthers in

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friends

does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

how did people back then come to this year?

i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

Listener

PL Panthers

From reading all these articles, I get the idea of 6000 years. It seems that most of the witnesses back were looking for an actual date for Armageddon to come. People were only serving jehovah for 1975. Am I right in saying this?

This may be true of some of the JWs back then. This only points to the Governing Body guilty of creating a stumblying block. If they had not promoted and created the idea of 1975 then the JWs would not have thought to serve God with a date in mind.

As it is how many now are serving God, not from their heart, but with the idea that they will survive Armageddon, regardless of a set date?

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How stupid were we??

by Crazyguy in

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friends

its unbelievable to me that one verse in the bible blows up the entire jw dogma and its amazing to me that with all this bible reading we jw's did we missed it.

even faders and people who quit for many reasons missed it.

what verse am i talking about it verse 9 of chapter 5 of revelations.

Listener

Revelation 7:4 states in relation to the 144,000

Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:9 states regarding the great crowd

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb

John in this vision only heard the number sealed as being 144,000 and from which tribes of Israel they came from (being 12,000 out of 12 tribes of Israel but if Israel here means mankind in general then what do the individual tribes represent?) He did not see them at this stage.

After John heard the number he then states that he saw a great multitude which no man could number. If we saw a crowd of 144,000 we would not be able to count them either, we would have to set up some type of procedure in order to do this but just by looking at that many people it would be beyond us to count them.

This suggests that it was most likely the same group.

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two Jehovahs Witnesses were paid millions to restrict WA blood transfusions

by Watchtower-Free in

source: supplied.

Listener

It would be very interesting to read what was in their reports. As JWs they could never recommend the provision of blood, even at a reduction, under any circumstances. So their reports could not show that reductions should be made here or there, their only conclusion would be that there should be no provision of blood.

I wonder if the two JWs mentioned this before they were selected.

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request suggestions

by tepidpoultry in

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friends

what can i tell my 5yr old grandson as to why i do not attend meetings anymore?

my reasons are (among others) the insanity of armageddon.

at the last meeting that i attended the travelling bro compared gehazi's sin (for which his progeny down to great grandchildren were stricken with leprosy) with materialism.. thanks..

Listener

Welcome Tepidpoultry.

I am wondering if you can give us a little more background. Is you son or daughter a JW and have you faded or been disfellowshipped? The reason being is that you may need to be careful as to what you should say to your grandson, his parents may get very upset if you say too much to him. Also, is your grandson asking you questions?

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COBE cannot be 80 or more

by fader77 in

a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

Listener

It is sounding like the position of COBE is more desireable to have in this class distinctive organization and goes along with the reason the org is giving for this change. They want others to reach out for this title. It is a men's club after all.

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COBE cannot be 80 or more

by fader77 in

a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

Listener

I am wondering if the work load of a COBE is greater than that of an Elder?

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Jehovah's Witnesses "New Donation" Arrangement Update!

by Littleleslie in

please check out this you tube video on the "new donation" arrangement update.

its pretty interesting.. see link below.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsodgtx6d58.

ll.

Listener

Villagegirl, I guess I just don't understand you. You said that he was often drinking and now you say that you saw him have one drink. I wouldn't be surprised if you now said 'but I didn't actually say what he was drinking and I didn't mean to imply it was alcohol.

No, I don't know what you have done to help others and it is often people who are outspoken that stand up for others. These guys have done nothing to you and are only trying hard to help others and then you attack them with suggestions about overdrinking. How they affect you is your personal business but there is no need to be offensive regardless of how opinionated and verbose you are.

Thank you for the apology but it's not me whom you should be apologizing to.