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Jesus 1000 years and Satan's 1000 years in the abyss

by berrygerry in

the thread about satan in the abyss for 1000 years prompts a question.. jesus will rule for 1000 years.. jesus began ruling in 1914, which means his 1000 year reign will end in 2914.. satan will be abyssed for 1000 years.. if the end comes in 2020, satan will be abyssed in 2020, and then released in 3020.. what happens between 2914 and 3020?.

honest question..

Listener

Apognophos

Honestly I don't think this is a big doctrinal problem. For instance, as a number of posters here have pointed out, this period could be likened to the 120 years before the Flood, during which Noah supposedly warned his generation of the coming judgment. So far, that pre-Flood system has gotten 20 years' more warning than ours has, if the warning started in 1914. Mind you, I'm leaving aside the point that Noah's supposed preaching work is not mentioned in Genesis; I'm simply answering this from the perspective of JW doctrine.

You could use that argument with anything the WTBTS teaches. That is, 'I don't think this is a big doctinal problem'. Then you likened it to Noah's day. Fortunately, you qualify it with Noah just 'supposedly' warning his generation of the coming judgement. That was not the job that Noah was instructed to do. He was given the 120 years in order for him to fulfill God's requirements of building and stocking the Ark. In doing this he was declared a righteous man by doing God's will. The judgement had already been made and only Noah and his family were to survive. There was no coming of judgement. It was a time of preperation, not of a preaching work.

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Jesus 1000 years and Satan's 1000 years in the abyss

by berrygerry in

the thread about satan in the abyss for 1000 years prompts a question.. jesus will rule for 1000 years.. jesus began ruling in 1914, which means his 1000 year reign will end in 2914.. satan will be abyssed for 1000 years.. if the end comes in 2020, satan will be abyssed in 2020, and then released in 3020.. what happens between 2914 and 3020?.

honest question..

Listener

Captain Obvious

Then why was the 100 (so far) year reign in between the two events not foretold? According to JW lore

They originally taught that they were living in Christ's millenial reign so when they changed this teaching this is one of the unanswered questions that arose. They used to call one of their magazines 'the Golden Age'. I think this Golden Age refers to the Millenial rule in which they were then living. When you tell a lie you forget that you have to keep telling more lies to cover all your basis.

Leolie wrote a post which explains a lot

To add to the confusion, the Society teaches that Jesus was enthroned as King in 1914. The Society still uses the phrase "Millennial Reign" to refer to Jesus' reign. So how he could have been enthroned as King and not start his Millennial Reign in 1914?

Of course, originally the belief was that Jesus became king in 1878 with the Millennium starting before or on 1874, so the Millennial Reign was supposed to be underway when Jesus became King, not after a very long delay afterward. Then in 1925 Rutherford updated the date of Jesus becoming King to 1914, with hints in the "Millions Now Living" campaign that the Millennium would begin shortly, e.g. in 1925. Then with the passage of time, the Millennium became indefinitely postponed with the date of Christ's enthronement stuck to 1914. The more time passes, the greater the disparity between the two becomes.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/122152/1/Are-we-in-Christs-1000-year-reign-yet

Once again it is just so difficult to make any sense out of teachings that don't add up.

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Questions From Readers (w14, 11/15, p28): How are elders and ministerial servants appointed in each congregation?

by darkspilver in

questions from readers watchtower 2014, november 15, page 28-29: "how are elders and ministerial servants appointed in each congregation?".

that's all folks!.

dark spliver.

Listener

DarkSpilver, if you could display the whole article it would be appreciated, then we can have a proper discussion.

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Women Please give us men a little credit, we are not so dumb.

by jam in

the wife and i had a argument of all things, the correct way.

to peel an egg.. i'm making tuna salad and she comes up.

and looking over my shoulder, "you know that's not the correct.

Listener

There's no need to take it so personally (and who said guys weren't sensitive?) She just wants to feel useful and by giving you some advice she feels needed.

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Disfellowed on 7/16/14 for sending a letter to my former congregation

by spbondgirl007 in

jw
friends

it's been quite a while since i lasted posted anything on jwn.

i was in hiding previously, but only because i wanted to avoid the shun gun until i had the opportunity to tell my former congregation what i think about the org./gb.

i last attended a meeting over 2.5 years ago but it wasn't until june--when i earned my bachelor's degree--that i finally had the time to collect my thoughts and get them down on paper...i decided to write my letter in a style i felt would be most appealing to my target audience--jw's still under gb mind control --in the hope that at least a few would read it and actually "think".

Listener

Thanks for sharing those responses Spbondgirl. Once again they show just what robotic drones they are, not one genuine thought was messaged to you.

if you choose to disfellowship me, I know this is the real reason why (my refusal to obey the GB as ruler rather than God), for I spoke the whole truth and nothing but the truth in my letter.

The elders are showing this to be the truth more and more these days due to the higher number of JC cases regarding 'apostasy'. We'll see the GB continue to get tougher and tougher as the number of these cases rise.

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Bible Highlights(this week) : What is the bitter water that an adulteress had to drink in Numbers 5:24?

by raymond frantz in

in this week's bible highlights we read about the bizarre trial by ordeal that a woman had to undergo if she was under suspicion of adultery .in number 5:24 we read about this strange "bitter water" that she had to drink resulting if guildy to a sponteneous degeneration of her reproductive organs ,please read the rest of the article here for more clarification ,maybe you can use it this week during the bible highlights at the meeting.... what is the bitter water that a woman had to drink in numbers 5:24?.

Listener

Sounds like the 'day after' pill

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If you thought Tony Moris the Third was extreme, wait till you hear this other GB member!

by Island Man in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzc2m8_mba&list=uus0vqkpnsxult0gsz6ahpta.

Listener

This says a lot as to what he thinks headship or leadership is really about. It's about 'competition'. The Elder or Governing Body member is equiped mentally, physically, emotionaly and someatically to pit his mind against his fellowman and to be in competition with him,

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Disfellowed on 7/16/14 for sending a letter to my former congregation

by spbondgirl007 in

jw
friends

it's been quite a while since i lasted posted anything on jwn.

i was in hiding previously, but only because i wanted to avoid the shun gun until i had the opportunity to tell my former congregation what i think about the org./gb.

i last attended a meeting over 2.5 years ago but it wasn't until june--when i earned my bachelor's degree--that i finally had the time to collect my thoughts and get them down on paper...i decided to write my letter in a style i felt would be most appealing to my target audience--jw's still under gb mind control --in the hope that at least a few would read it and actually "think".

Listener

Congratulations SpBondGirl007 for earning your Bachelor Degree. Thank you for sharing your letter with us. You are a very good writer and engaging.

Have you had any positive responses from those you sent the letter to?

These types of letters must play on the minds of Elder's, particularly the ones that have to make the decision to disfellowship a person. This may not be an immediate reaction but it is probably something that they benefit from over time. There is no harm in examining things and you have clearly emphasized that this is, in fact, a biblical requirement. If only these Elders stop every now and then and think about what they are being taught and whether it is based solidly on the bible then you have done your job.

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Trademark office rejects Watchtower's application for "JW.Org" logo

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#casenumber=85896124&casetype=serial_no&searchtype=statussearch.

even though watchtower's application has been rejected, they will be allowed to use the logo because it is for religious usage and will not be confused with commercial products.. the trademark office did note this:.

indeed, numerous other marks are registered reflecting the letters j and w:.

Listener

From this information it would seem possible for someone else to change the logo slightly and establish a use for it commercially for it to be approved.

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JWs getting "Footloose" at the Kingdom Hall

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

i hope no one here get's injured when they see this and their jaw hits the floor:.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689701664435095&set=vb.100001858044479&type=2&theater.

Listener

They are just so desperate they have turned their Kingdom Halls into party venues.