Good question. Before their 2013 change to the FDS doctrine they believed they had been given authority over all Christ's belongings, now they believe they do not get this until they are in heaven. Their current teaching is that Jesus appointed them to feed the sheep only.
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Appointment of Elders/Deacons
by lambsbottom inso i attended a bible student's meeting yesterday where they were discussing scriptures to prepare for their annual business meeting.
at that meeting, they come to a consensus for any elders, deacons, etc.
that particular group requires 80% of the group to be in agreement on any particular issue.. anyway, i was doing some research on the appointment of elders in the first century congregation (according to the bible).
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Rutherford's last book "Children" 1941- Advice DONT HAVE KIDS...Where it all started!
by Witness 007 inwatchtower 1941 sept. 15 p.283, 288 "in front of the convention platform the children recieving there free gift (copy) not as a play thing but as the lords instrument for the work in the remaining months before armagedon..." so what lovely message did the kids get from judge rutherford?
children 1941page 281 "no children were taken onto noah's ark...it is proper to wait until after armagedon to have children...its only afew more years till armagedon..." the book concluded.
"(john and his girlfriend talk) ...armagedon is surely near our hope is within afew years our marriage will be consumated and we will have sweet children...we will defer marriage and pioneer ...we will not see each other for a time.." thats why i dont have kids it all started with this fools book!.
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Welcome Zain. I've started going through it yesterday and it is interesting, I've started a couple of posts already.
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WTBTS Assets and Individuals Australia 1943
by Listener inthe 1983 yearbook pg 97 talks about a time in australia where the brothers were acting inappropriately and needed to be cleaned up.
this is from the yearbook.
"the commercial activities of the previous five years now began to take their toll.
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Request for free Visa's for delegates
by Listener inpage 32 of 181 .
</form> it is so interesting going through the australian national archives in regards to the jws.. http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/searchnretrieve/interface/detailsreports/itemdetail.aspx?barcode=7122198&isav=n.
i've come across this letter (and response) from the wtbts to the australian government requesting that they consider providing free visa's to delegates from indonesia.
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It is so interesting going through the Australian National Archives in regards to the JWs.
I've come across this letter (and response) from the WTBTS to the Australian Government requesting that they consider providing free Visa's to delegates from Indonesia.
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Convention new book reveals "GROUP 2" of the 1914 generation...the horror.
by Witness 007 ingods kingdom rules!
the convention book released yesterday....say hi to group 2 of the 1914 generation!!
a graph shows group 1 being fred franz john barr etc...with a group 2 consisting of the current young faithful slaves we "met" the "group ones.
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Yes, I agree Greener. Pushing the beginning backwards just makes it look more ridiculous, it is just so confusing to consider the idea and presenting this idea to a JW would stop them short, there is no logical answer, they are stuck with one line of thought as presented to them by the GB.
They are having so much trouble with this teaching that they have to keep explaining it. Part of their problem is that they want to make it seem that Armageddon is coming soon and so they have put their own time scale on their idea. There is no limit to the generations of anointed since 1914, who is overlapping with who and why stop at two generations?
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Convention new book reveals "GROUP 2" of the 1914 generation...the horror.
by Witness 007 ingods kingdom rules!
the convention book released yesterday....say hi to group 2 of the 1914 generation!!
a graph shows group 1 being fred franz john barr etc...with a group 2 consisting of the current young faithful slaves we "met" the "group ones.
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Welcome Greener, nice to hear from you.
I find their reasoning on 'this generation' to be so ridiculous that it hardly merits any thinking on their idea.
It would appear that the 1st generation didn't start with Franz. It started with any who were there in 1914, including Russel and Rutherford. I think they are trying to impress the idea that the 1st generation ended with Franz.
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WTBTS Assets and Individuals Australia 1943
by Listener inthe 1983 yearbook pg 97 talks about a time in australia where the brothers were acting inappropriately and needed to be cleaned up.
this is from the yearbook.
"the commercial activities of the previous five years now began to take their toll.
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Here's another interesting document from the Secret Service Department in Australia. Of particular interest is the fact that individuals were withdrawing the money belonging to the WTBTS and transferring it into personal accounts. Also of interest was the fact that they were broadcasting the national anthem on their radio stations.
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W.W 2 - 1940's Australia Bethel helps out war effort!!
by Witness 007 inaustralia bethel had from 1938 began to make big money!
they employed many brothers.
they opened a saw mill, bakery, 20 kingdom farms, and an engineering company.
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Thanks W007.
I am starting to think that using WTBTS Assets and properties to help support the war effort was a deliberate ploy to protect their ownership. The Government had banned their books and confiscated some of their property, in particular there was once property in Sturt Street, South Australia, a large Kingdom Hall that could seat over 200 people and accommodate two families. It was worth approximately 3,000 pounds in 1943. This property was taken from the JWs and used as a storage unit by the Government until a later court case restored ownership to the WTBTS.
By becoming involved in the war effort, I wonder how much it helped in getting the bans overturned and being able to retain their assets.
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WTBTS Assets and Individuals Australia 1943
by Listener inthe 1983 yearbook pg 97 talks about a time in australia where the brothers were acting inappropriately and needed to be cleaned up.
this is from the yearbook.
"the commercial activities of the previous five years now began to take their toll.
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The 1983 Yearbook pg 97 talks about a time in Australia where the brothers were acting inappropriately and needed to be cleaned up. This is from the Yearbook
"The commercial activities of the previous five years now began to take their toll. During the years of war and ban, they had provided a means of supporting many former full-time servants who could not carry on their pioneer service because of the ban. However, the organization had actually gone too far by establishing commercial enterprises, and this had had a disturbing effect on many brothers.
RESTORATION OF JEHOVAH’S BLESSING ON THE BRANCH
As soon as he was in a position to do so, Brother Rees took steps to liquidate these enterprises. But it was a very hard process, involving the lives of many who had accepted this kind of service in support of the organization. The adjustments were made, however, and by the time Brother Rees was called to the Watchtower Bible School of Gilead in 1946, the enterprises had been completely cleared out."
I was wondering where they had gone astray and why the Society felt the need to report this. There is a National Archive which makes available a lot of documents about the JWs in the early 1940s. They were being investigated by the Government and declared an illegal organization due to their stand against the war and their view of the Government. The Government was in a position where they could confiscate all their Assets.
These documents can be found by following the links here
http://guides.naa.gov.au/records-about-south-australia/chapter3/broadcasting.aspx
I've come across some Australian government archived documents in relation to individuals and the WTBTS.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp
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This is a statutory declaration made during wartime by a brother who was personally selected by Rutherford to run HQ in Australia. He is basically confessing that the WTBTS gave him the money to buy a radio company and to put it in his name. He held 2002 shares in 1931 that cost 2,002 pounds and valued at 3229 pounds the next year.
Other documents show that individuals made declarations that all their monies, shares and properties held in their name were owned by the WTBTS. It appears that they did this when the WTBTS put assets in the individuals name for which they (the WTBTS) had paid for.
We already know that the WTBTS ran several radio stations for witnessing but why would they make individuals put shares in their own names and sign declarations to say that everything they owned belonged to the WTBTS? The reason is because these Radio Stations were run as a business on a commercial basis, they were probably earning money by renting air time and advertising. Other documents showed that they made profits, paid wages and even taxes.
Also in these archives is a list of Assets that the Security Department believed the WTBTS owned in Australia in 1943. At that time there were only about 3.500 JWs in Australia.
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JAN 2015 Awake - Yet More Fallacies and Disingenuous Statements re Evolution/Creation
by konceptual99 inso the new awake is up.. first question..... "how did life begin?.
how would you complete the following sentance?.
life is the result of..... a. evolution.
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Thanks MasterBob. From that same article came the statement
Their teaching that the earth and even the universe are less than 10,000 years old contradicts all the findings of modern science. They are so far out of step that they invite ridicule from scientists.
Yet at that very point in time they were teaching that each of the creative days were only 7.000 years long.
