i was thinking of doing a pop-in visit when they're doing their thing(what ever that might be).
to just see what it is that lures and hooks people, like our son.
i was worried there is some sort of subliminal messages in audio or video that start to brain-wash a person.
Hi J Dubbed and welcome.
If you ask the question that Navytown suggests they may eventually get around to the comment that 'It is God who judges what is in a person's heart so we cannot say", then you could make the comment that 'it isn't necessary to become a JW then?'
my brother after so many years decides to call me.
i am totally surprised.
i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!
I didn't realize that Blondie, I always assumed it was in regards to serious health problems or desperate situations where help was needed. That is how the JWs in my family have taken it as. The quote from the W 70 would suggest it is more than 'necessary family business' it would signify 'unavoidable family business'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8szhnltnkme.
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That was a really good phone call and I appreciate how Ex Jws Internation included the replies from the elder in writing as it was not all that audible.
This comment was added on her video
"I have to give this Elder at least some credit, even though he is using very tricky talk. He is trying to suggest that Morris' talk was just him going out on a limb and it was not the Faithful & Discreet Slave's direction. Unfortunately Morris forms part of the F&DS as a Governing Body member. This leads to a serious problem.
Morris at the beginning of his speech said that his following comments and issues were supported by the organization. He said he would back them with WTBTS publications. These publications were supposedly provided by the faithful & discreet slave. If his comments are in fact not supported by WTBTS publications then the rest of the GB would no doubt excuse his speech as being his own thoughts. If they don't take any action then they are agreeing with Morris in that all his comments are supported by WTBTS publications and therefore the FDS, they would be agreeing with everything he said.
If they don't agree with everything he says then they are basically calling Morris a liar because Morris said everything could be supported with WTBTS publications. What a predicament. This is really unbelievable because Morris didn't end his comments there. He said that if anyone and yes he said anyone had a problem with this then they could take it up with Jehovah. Well there you go, the rest of the Governing Body members would now have to take it up with Jehovah.
So either what Morris said is law, as issued by the Faithful & Discreet Slave or Morris has gone out on a limb.
This is an organization that thrives on Unity (of thought). If a GB member has put this to the test then they have to do something about it. That is, if they are taking their responsibility seriously. The whole organization is at risk of crumbling like the twin towers if the apparent unity at the top of the hierarchy is not there. Just like the aeroplanes that flew into the twin towers, an emergency ensued. That wasn't dealt with as best as it could, it is to be seen how well it is handled by the GB.
In other words, if the governing body does not retract the comments and statements made by Morris at this talk then as a group acting as the faithful & discreet slave then they are fully supporting him regardless of how the Elder in this phone call tries to distance Morris' comments from the FDS. This is a wake up call for them."
The bottom line is that they can't have individual GB members saying something that is not backed by the 'FDS' otherwise there is no integrity and no unity. Any sincere leader would recognize this and do something about it.
my brother after so many years decides to call me.
i am totally surprised.
i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!
That's great news Lecca and like the opening poster it's even better news that they aren't calling because they want to lecture you on coming back. They may mention it in the future but more out of duty and not because they will stop communication again if you don't respond.. It's as if their love for you has surfuced again despite the efforts of the organization.
my brother after so many years decides to call me.
i am totally surprised.
i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!
He may be becoming disheartened from something that has occurred, or for a number of things that have happened over time. I thought some of my family might never speak to me again other than 'family business' but this has not been the case.
I would welcome his communication wholeheartedly but not mention anything religious with him at this stage. At best he may be in the very early stages of feeling that something is wrong but he doesn't know what and if you throw TTATT it may re-establish the original barriers. Make sure that he knows you can talk to him about anything and you are there, don't pressure him into telling you things that he is not ready to tell because he is unsure of his own feelings.
It sounds like he misses you and is disobeying the org. by contacting you. This is a very good sign.
who is the assyrian?.
the article entitled seven shepherds, eight dukesawhat they mean for us today in the watchtower of the 15th november 2013 contained this important warning in paragraph 16: ain the near future, jehovahas apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day aassyrian,a whose intent will be to wipe them out.a it goes on to say: awhat asecret weapona does micahas prophecy indicate jehovah would raise up against that implacable foeaathe assyriana?
a very unlikely oneaaseven shepherds, yes, eight dukesa!
One major flaw with your idea IE is that the GB is unlikely to remain stagnant with 7 members, the numbers are likely to go up or down.
responding to the question - who are the two witnesses mentioned in revelation chapter 11?.
"so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of gods kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached in sackcloth for three and a half years.
" (watchtower 2014 11/15 pp.28-30).
Objective Truth, given the date 1882 of that prediction, it is more than likely to have come from a different source and Russell simply copied it.
http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.
did any of you guys sit down and read this??
it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .
Really, they have files on murder?
responding to the question - who are the two witnesses mentioned in revelation chapter 11?.
"so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of gods kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached in sackcloth for three and a half years.
" (watchtower 2014 11/15 pp.28-30).
All these changes are a good excuse to keep printing new publications to replenish the JW's library and to keep the need for constant studies and meetings 2 or 3 times a week.
That was a good pick up objectivetruth. No doubt they will say that the scripture in Revelation is just figurative and they were just 'prophets' not real prophets.
jesus verdict on john (matthew 11:7-17).. 7-9. johns preaching had created a sensation.
... jesus now show(s) the real significance of john.
10. john is not just a prophet, but the messenger of malachi 3:1.
Thanks Doug for putting some prospective on this. It makes the JW message look miniscule in relation to this, or at least their idea that Russell depicted John the Baptist.
It would seem that according to the WTBTS that Russell was the 'prophet' who declared that Jesus was now enthroned as King in that Kingdom of heaven in the year 1874. He gave this message and died believing it, even though many years later the Faithful & Discreet Slave declared that Russell's message was wrong and Jesus was enthroned in 1914.
If there is a paralle then Russell was never part of that Kingdom of Heaven with Jesus reigning as King, although it supposedly occurred when he was still alive. It become very hard to make sense of this.
