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  WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours

  by Cadellin in

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  interesting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.

  i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?

  actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.

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  The bible says that Adam was not deceived, bit according to the Watcchtower he was deceived because he thought he would be dying that day.

  Would Adam really have eaten from the fruit if he believed his wife was going to die that very day?
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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  That's a very sobering comment AnnOMaly. Time has not run out for them.
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  No longer to use "house to house record" slips and "please follow up slips"!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a letter has just been read out indicating that effective immediately, witnesses are no longer to use the s-8 slip known as the "house to house" record slip, as well as the s-43 "please follow up" slip (usually used for foreign language people).. the letter stated that this is because of the changes in privacy laws etc that are becoming common in the world today.. i will try and get a copy of the full letter and post it asap.. .

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  There's a post here from 13 years ago and ExpatBrit wrote

  I heard that congregations in the UK can no longer use the not a home forms (S8)provided by the society, as they contravene the above mentioned act.
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  What should the WBT$ do to get on track?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it looks as if the gb are blundering around and really showing themselves up for the buffoons they are.

  all the stupidity about tight trousers is laughable and if the general public were to see these selfmportant cult leaders blabbing this stuff then the last shred of their credibility would be destroyed.........perhaps.. the wbt$ seem to have dug themselves into a deep pit of no escape with their lies, new light(tm), paedophile protection and all the other nauseating peripherals they have.. we also suspect that the wbt$ have their spies here because they are either predictable or get ideas form forums like this.. so!

  are you listening watchtower(r)?

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  Brand the JW.org product more. They're a printing group after all, print the brand on mugs, pencils, pens, iphone and ipad covers, T-shirts, bathers, shirts, ties, scarfs, and anything else that can accommodate the label. Branding works.

  Get the JWs to build schools, retirement villages and nursing homes, then sell them and build some more.
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  FDS & G.B. TEACHING DESTROYED

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  credit to vidqun for the direction given.. the watchtower november 15th qfr http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20141115/ blows the selection process/timing/individuals clean out of the water!.

  simply put, ask any witness these questions:.

  who is represented by the 'two witnesses' in revelation chapter 7?

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  The teaching is that the Wild Beast of Rev 11:7 is the world organization of politics and that it is the same beast mentioned at Rev 13:1

  The crazy thing is that the prominent JWs were imprisoned by the American legal system, not by any worldly collaborating system.

  Insight Vol 2 'sea'

  The Abyss. According to Parkhurst’s Greek and English Lexicon to the New Testament (London, 1845, p. 2), the Greek word a ′ bys·sos, meaning “very or exceedingly deep” and often translated “abyss,” is sometimes used with reference to or in making a comparison to the sea because of the sea’s great, seemingly fathomless, depth. (Ro 10:6, 7; compare De 30:12, 13.) In the symbols of Revelation, “the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss” (Re 11:7) is said, at Revelation 13:1, to ascend out of “the sea.”

  Paradise Restored 3

  That wild beast out of the abyss is later shown to symbolize the world organization of politics now millenniums old. In the spring of the year 1918, before World War I was over, this beastly political organization took advantage of war conditions to ban literature on the Bible as used by the “two witnesses” class and imprisoned dedicated Christians who were foremost in publishing it. Thus the free public work of the symbolic “two witnesses” was killed

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  Revelation 11:7-10.

  20 This is the first of 37 references in Revelation to a wild beast. In due course we will examine this and other beasts in detail. Suffice it to say for now that “the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss” is of Satan’s design, a living political system of things.—Compare Revelation 13:1; Daniel 7:2, 3, 17.

  21 From 1914 to 1918 the nations were occupied with the first world war. Nationalistic feelings ran high, and in the spring of 1918, the religious enemies of the two witnesses took advantage of the situation. They maneuvered the State’s legal apparatus so that responsible ministers of the Bible Students were imprisoned on false charges of sedition. Faithful coworkers were stunned. Kingdom activity almost ceased. It was as though the preaching work were dead
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  A Non J-Dub paying a visit to KingDumb Hall!

  by J-DUBBED in

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  2. experiences

  i was thinking of doing a pop-in visit when they're doing their thing(what ever that might be).

  to just see what it is that lures and hooks people, like our son.

  i was worried there is some sort of subliminal messages in audio or video that start to brain-wash a person.

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  Hi J Dubbed and welcome.

  If you ask the question that Navytown suggests they may eventually get around to the comment that 'It is God who judges what is in a person's heart so we cannot say", then you could make the comment that 'it isn't necessary to become a JW then?'
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  I need an answer from an Elder or someone who knows!

  by Truth and Justice in

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  2. friends

  my brother after so many years decides to call me.

  i am totally surprised.

  i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!

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  I didn't realize that Blondie, I always assumed it was in regards to serious health problems or desperate situations where help was needed. That is how the JWs in my family have taken it as. The quote from the W 70 would suggest it is more than 'necessary family business' it would signify 'unavoidable family business'
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  Tight Pants , a Bethel Bro replies

  by Phizzy in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8szhnltnkme.

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  That was a really good phone call and I appreciate how Ex Jws Internation included the replies from the elder in writing as it was not all that audible.

  This comment was added on her video

  "I have to give this Elder at least some credit, even though he is using very tricky talk. He is trying to suggest that Morris' talk was just him going out on a limb and it was not the Faithful & Discreet Slave's direction. Unfortunately Morris forms part of the F&DS as a Governing Body member. This leads to a serious problem.
  
  Morris at the beginning of his speech said that his following comments and issues were supported by the organization. He said he would back them with WTBTS publications. These publications were supposedly provided by the faithful & discreet slave. If his comments are in fact not supported by WTBTS publications then the rest of the GB would no doubt excuse his speech as being his own thoughts. If they don't take any action then they are agreeing with Morris in that all his comments are supported by WTBTS publications and therefore the FDS, they would be agreeing with everything he said.
  If they don't agree with everything he says then they are basically calling Morris a liar because Morris said everything could be supported with WTBTS publications. What a predicament. This is really unbelievable because Morris didn't end his comments there. He said that if anyone and yes he said anyone had a problem with this then they could take it up with Jehovah. Well there you go, the rest of the Governing Body members would now have to take it up with Jehovah.
  So either what Morris said is law, as issued by the Faithful & Discreet Slave or Morris has gone out on a limb.
  This is an organization that thrives on Unity (of thought). If a GB member has put this to the test then they have to do something about it. That is, if they are taking their responsibility seriously. The whole organization is at risk of crumbling like the twin towers if the apparent unity at the top of the hierarchy is not there. Just like the aeroplanes that flew into the twin towers, an emergency ensued. That wasn't dealt with as best as it could, it is to be seen how well it is handled by the GB.
  
  In other words, if the governing body does not retract the comments and statements made by Morris at this talk then as a group acting as the faithful & discreet slave then they are fully supporting him regardless of how the Elder in this phone call tries to distance Morris' comments from the FDS. This is a wake up call for them."

  The bottom line is that they can't have individual GB members saying something that is not backed by the 'FDS' otherwise there is no integrity and no unity. Any sincere leader would recognize this and do something about it.
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  I need an answer from an Elder or someone who knows!

  by Truth and Justice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my brother after so many years decides to call me.

  i am totally surprised.

  i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!

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  That's great news Lecca and like the opening poster it's even better news that they aren't calling because they want to lecture you on coming back. They may mention it in the future but more out of duty and not because they will stop communication again if you don't respond.. It's as if their love for you has surfuced again despite the efforts of the organization.
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  I need an answer from an Elder or someone who knows!

  by Truth and Justice in

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  2. friends

  my brother after so many years decides to call me.

  i am totally surprised.

  i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!

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  He may be becoming disheartened from something that has occurred, or for a number of things that have happened over time. I thought some of my family might never speak to me again other than 'family business' but this has not been the case.

  I would welcome his communication wholeheartedly but not mention anything religious with him at this stage. At best he may be in the very early stages of feeling that something is wrong but he doesn't know what and if you throw TTATT it may re-establish the original barriers. Make sure that he knows you can talk to him about anything and you are there, don't pressure him into telling you things that he is not ready to tell because he is unsure of his own feelings.

  It sounds like he misses you and is disobeying the org. by contacting you. This is a very good sign.