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  They dared !

  by coalize in

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  i can't believe they had the cheek to come out with that explanation.. it's no more "new light" it's "new scam"!!

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  Coalize, another one is that the Faithful & Discreet Slave is no longer all of the faithful anointed but the Governing Body only.
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  The paradox of the WTBTS

  by coalize in

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  2. beliefs

  on one hand, wtbts blame you if you choose to work instead of pioneering, and on the another hand, they ask crazily amount of money!.

  isn't it paradoxal ?.

  if every jw leave his job and pioneer, no more money!.

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  They don't need as much money as other religions do because everyone is working for free. If they don't have interesting jobs in the first place they are more likely to work for the WTBTS.
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  Financial Report 2013 and 2014 Australia Branch

  by Listener in

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  The information is from the ACNC website and it is a requirement for the Head Office to report their financials whereas all the Australian congregations are registered individually here but are not required to report financials.

  http://www.acnc.gov.au/RN52B75Q?ID=91956EB4-F967-4486-8D20-89B6E9A28BCC&noleft=1

  Oppostate, they are only in deficit because they sent half their money overseas, most of it probably to HQ as per Coalize's comment.

  Dividing 19,611,866 in donations by the number of JWs currently in Australia 66,484 comes to $295. This means that the average yearly donation per JW is $295. This does not include the amount they donate to their local congregation for operating expenses.
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  Financial Report 2013 and 2014 Australia Branch

  by Listener in

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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  Nitty gritty says mistakes have been made. It's obvious that the wtbts doesn't think this is the case at all. If they did they would not only be apologising but also pulling out their list of reported cases and trying to make amends.
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  What instructions came with the new brochure?

  by dubstepped in

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  2. friends

  like the title says, i'm wondering if anyone here knows what instructions came with the new brochure about returning to jehovah.

  did each person get a certain number at the convention?

  are they to be handed out at will, up to each publisher's individual discretion?

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  Every time a JW hands that brochure out they are making a personal judgement.
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  Watchtower Charter-A Danger to GB?

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following link is a pdf of the charter for the watchtower bible and tract society of new york as of 2003:.

  https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-charter-and-certificate-of-incorporation.pdf.

  my question: is the governing body in danger of removal if they do not adhere to the charter?.

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  This is what the WTBTS has printed about appointments.

  "At the annual meeting held on October 2, 1944, in Pittsburgh, the members of the Pennsylvania corporation adopted six resolutions amending its charter. The charter had provided that voting shares be issued to contributors of funds to the Society’s work, but the third amendment eliminated that provision. A report on that annual meeting noted: “Membership in the Society will be limited to not more than 500 . . . Each one chosen must be a full-time servant of the Society or a part-time servant of a company [congregation] of Jehovah’s witnesses and must show the spirit of the Lord.”

  Thereafter, directors of the Society were to be voted into office by individuals who were fully devoted to Jehovah, irrespective of the amount of money that they contributed to advance the Kingdom work........

  In 1971 the same speaker explained that the members of the Watch Tower Society could not vote in the members of the anointed Governing Body. Why? “Because,” he said, “the governing body of the ‘slave’ class is not appointed by any man. It is appointed by . . . Jesus Christ, the Head of the true Christian congregation and the Lord and Master of the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ class.” Clearly, then, the members of the Governing Body cannot be voted into office by the membership of any legal corporation."

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001051

  "While directors of a legal corporation are voted into office by its members, the Governing Body is not appointed by any man but is appointed by Jesus Christ. There is no need for the directors of various corporations used by Jehovah’s Witnesses to be members of the Governing Body. At the recent annual meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, members of the Governing Body who were serving as its directors and officers voluntarily stepped aside from their positions. The vacancies were filled by mature brothers of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) Thus the Governing Body can spend more time in preparing spiritual food and in otherwise caring for the spiritual needs of the worldwide brotherhood.—1/15, pages 29, 31."

  According to this information the Directors of the WTBTS are voted in by the members of the WTBTS. The Governing Body is not voted in by any men which means their formation would not be established through the Charter or it's by laws.

  How are Governing Body members elected? They won't say, well they do say, and it's by Jesus.

  So how is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses recognized by the JWs? By their names being printed in WTBTS publications and through JW org, which are both controlled by the directors of the WTBTS.

  If the Directors of the WTBTS decided that the current GB were not acting in harmony with the Charter and chose new members would this also be accepted by the JWs? When you are in control of the printing press, the media and all the assets it is a possibility.
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  There's something very bizarre about Watchtower's use of the word pioneer.

  by Island Man in

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  2. beliefs

  i have researched the meaning of the word pioneer in a number of online references.

  none of the meanings seem to match watchtower's use of the word.

  the word refers to persons who are trailblazers; persons who are the first to settle new territory; persons who initiate some new field or technology.. jws' use of the term to refer to publishers who spend a long time preaching every month, does not in the slightest bit, match the definition.

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  Here's an explanation from Yahoo questions

  "These are JWs who decided to spend more time in preahing the Word of God. They make a commitment to spend more time than the usual hours they take in preaching. Being a pioneer is not mandatory to a JW. However, we view it an opportunity so serve God more, by giving more time in preaching His divine will and purpose.
  
  Why is “pioneer” an appropriate designation for Jehovah’s Witnesses who can be full-time preachers? The word originally had a military connotation, relating to a soldier, though not an ordinary foot soldier. It connoted a military engineer, one who preceded the main body and built bridges, roads and trenches. Hence, “to pioneer” came to mean to prepare or open the way, and a “pioneer” was one who took the lead, forging ahead in the face of odds or opposition, as the early settlers of the North American West did. The term suggests an individual who is intrepid, one who presses ahead until his goal is realized. It is an apt description for self-sacrificing “soldiers” of Christ Jesus full time. "

  They are also publisher's, pioneer publishers. They really distort the English language.
  
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  What Would Happen if the Watchtower Loses Their TAX EXEMPT STATUS?

  by John Aquila in

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  2. beliefs

  would it really affect them?

  how would it affect volunteers at any construction project since that work would now be taxable.

  any materials they buy would be taxable.

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  It would be devastating for them. From reading their Charter for the WTBTS Pennsylvania and New York (and most likely many of their other corporations) I understand that they can only operate if they are tax exempt otherwise all their assets must pass on to a different entity that is tax exempt.
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  Back in the Basement

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  looks like the faithful jws are back in the basement, the oct 15th wt has this image on page 9. but now the lights have been turned out!

  i guess the persecution is really kicking in if the electric company has shut off their electricity, or the jws are really, really paranoid that the government is gonna get them if they have the lights on!.

  only one guy is smart enough to use his tablet (far right), the rest of the jws are old school, using a lantern to read their bibles in the dark!

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  There are hardly any houses with a basement in Australia, I wonder what they are expected to use?