Thanks for the links, very interesting.
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The Jehovah's Witnesses, the Royal Commission and the Catholic Church
by OrphanCrow ina catholic forum has a discussion thread: "jehovah witness now appear with the royal commission".. i have made the comment before that dr. applewhite's appearance in support of the jws is not surprising if you consider that the royal commissions' findings will impact the structure of the cathoilc church as well.
the catholic church has a vested interest in the jws' hearing - if the jws are forced to change their organizational structure, so will the catholics.. the following post is an excellent discussion on the similarities and differences between the catholic church and the jws structure.
http://www.catholica.com.au/forum/index.php?id=174461.
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The pedophile is in better position than the apostate
by opusdei1972 ini know that in english there are better pages exposing the organization, but here i updated the page (in spanish) with an article untitled "la organizacion jehovista oculta el abuso sexual" (the jehovist organization hides sexual abuse) based on the last news on "child abuse" in australia, and quoting watchtower's articles in which you can note how in this organization, the penitent pedophiles are in better position than the "apostates" who denounce the organization's absurdities .. http://jehovismo.com/.
for instance, i quoted the watchtower 1997 jan 1 p.29, where it is said that it is permitted for the penitent pedophile to preach door to door:.
if he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the theocratic ministry school (the watchtower, january 1, 1997).
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The case regarding BCH and BCG is very complicated and confusing and we need to remember that these are real people we are talking about.
We need to be careful about labelling these people and not border on defamation.
Unfortunately when we are talking about child abuse and incest it is possible, if not probable that the abusers have very serious mental issues.
Why they even leave these issues to unexperienced elders to deal with is inexcusable.
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Royal Commission - Clarification of 1,006 unreported abusers
by Listener inknowing that many here like to relate information as accurately as possible i just wanted to make a clarification regarding the unreported abusers in the australian jw religion.. it is not correct for us to state that there are 1,006 cases of unreported abusers in australia since 1950. .
this is what the commission has reported in the opening address .
those documents include 1,006 case files relating to allegations of child sexual abuse made against members of the jehovahs witness church in australia since 1950 each file for a different alleged perpetrator of child sexual abuse.
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Knowing that many here like to relate information as accurately as possible I just wanted to make a clarification regarding the unreported abusers in the Australian JW religion.
It is not correct for us to state that there are 1,006 cases of unreported abusers in Australia since 1950.
This is what the Commission has reported in the opening address
Those documents include 1,006 case files relating to allegations of child sexual abuse made against members of the Jehovah’s Witness Church in Australia since 1950 – each file for a different alleged perpetrator of child sexual abuse.
Evidence will be put before the Royal Commission that of the 1,006 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse identified by the Jehovah’s Witness Church since 1950, not one was reported by the Church to secular authorities.
Note that the Commission investigations showed that of the 1,006 alleged abusers that the Australian Branch WTBTS advised them of, none were reported to secular authorities (including police) by the Elders or the Branch.
There have been cases reported to police but it hasn't been by the organization so would have been by the victim or their parents.
What this also means is that the organization is relying on the victim or parents to report the abuse when their is mandatory reporting. As they aren't reporting any themselves then they must be actively seeking the co-operation of the parents/victim to report it. In other words, they are actively passing on the responsibility to report (where there is mandatory reporting) to the parents/victim.
Although we knew this already, thinking about it makes their comments that they don't discourage parents from reporting look stupid when you consider that they actively encourage them to report when there is mandatory reporting. Their reasoning for not encouraging parent/victims to report is because they believe it is their absolute right to make a decision on this matter. -
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Blondie is far from a 'self-assuming heavy' on this forum. Her years on this forum and contributions has meant that many of us put her in high regard. She has spent thousands of hours assisting us with her research work and her educated evaluation of WTBTS material.
The post doesn't make sense but I don't think she's addressing poopie but a poster by the name of apropos, but it's spelt wrong.
To suggest she is on meds is a bit hard to swallow.
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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AudeSapere I can't link directly to the document but it can be found here
At the moment it is towards the end as they keep adding documents each day of the hearing. It is called "Statement of Dr Monica Applewhite"
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JW EXPERT WITNESS FLOORED BY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY LAWYER
by steve2 inmuch has already been written about dr monica applewhite, the expert witness hired by the jw organization.
her job was to provide "expert" testimony to the australian commission of inquiry into jehovsh's witnesses' policies and practices on child sexual abuse.
astonishingly, dr applewhite was unprepared for the inquiry lawyers' questions.
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They voluntarily put their trust in someone who they say is part of Babylon the Great and Christendom to represent them as an expert Witness before the public, even before the whole World. It backfired on them. The Commission accepted her credentials but found fault with her submission and she even agreed with them about the flaws in their procedures.
You would think they would know better.
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Does the RC have the names of the 1006 abused victims?
by Dumplin ini've updated my jw wife on the highlights of the rc proceedings each day as they occur.
but tonight she said something that made my blood boil (which i am usually in complete control of).
she said something to the effect that victims need to not dwell on what happened and let it control their lives.
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WT Lawyer trying to force His Honour to allow Miss Apple to garner more info showing how good WT is
by umbertoecho inhello to all who are watching.
his honour is being tested by wt lawyer in the last thirty minutes of day 4. the lawyer wants to bring in updates on the societies handling of child molestation cases.. his honour tells the lawyer that if he "lawyer" wants a contest between who is better than who....forget it.. his honour is slightly pissed off as wt lawyer just won't back down and insists that this evidence is very important and........"progressive" ( i think ) his honour then continues to tell nice wt jerk type lawyer, that if he thinks this will dispel all that happened to past victims..........think again.. i rough summary but fairly accurate people......god, that wt lawyer is a hateful lying, scheming son of a bitch........
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Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse
by Richard_I inthis is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.
link to video.
i'm writing a transcript right now.
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I just had another look at the OP who kindly provides a transcription of the speech AM III gave in the July Broadcast regarding Child Abuse in light of the Royal Commission.
He suggests that he is addressing what the organization is doing and has done in the past about child abuse. I didn't see it the first time around but all he is telling JWs is that they addressed the issue to warn parents in their publications and by a TV ad over a decade ago.
He doesn't explain or address how the organization has dealt with the issue or abusers in the past and how this has helped to protect children. He has provided no proof or defence in demonstrating that their procedures have been appropriate.
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A few facts to ponder
by Nitty-Gritty ini have been in correspondence recently with silentambs and a few interesting things have been highlighted.
some of you may know, that bill bowen has twice tried to get the fbi involved in investigating child molestation issues in the jws org.
this is what he said to me, i quote: we have reported to the fbi on two occasions and were rebuffed due to them not wishing to get involved with a religion.
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Nitty Gritty said
<<Well it can't be a wife, as I occupy that role. If it was my sister I would encourage her to go to the police, but I would respect her decision whether to go or not. I could not force her. But she would be obliged to go to the elders to report the sin/crime of a fellow believer. If she didn't go I would report it to the elders for her. If it was my daughter, and she was a minor, I would not need to consult with anyone. I would report the person to the elders and the police immediately, and not necessarily in that order.>>
What biblical basis requires that you inform the elders? You are not under the Mosaic law. You were not a witness to the event and there would not be two witnesses. Under your own JW rules you would be required to approach the Brother with the accusation first.
It's pretty pathetic that you are prepared to take the matter to the elders if she wouldn't and without knowing what is holding her back. She may have been threatened for all you know and going to the elders could potentially make matters much worse.