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The 1006 list is on the Royal Commission Website!!!!

by Petraglyph in

it seems they do have a database!

!you can view it here on the royal commission website:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

Listener

My understanding is the list was compiled by the Commission from files provided by the Branch.

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Huge list of victims

by umbertoecho in

https://www.reddit.com/domain/childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/.compact.

i pressed all the wrong buttons.

here it is, posted about an hour ago..

Angus Stewart confirmed with Vincent Toole, who wanted to argue the figures, that thet had provided no evidence that any were reported to authorities by the organization. Toole conceded although he again argued that there was no evidence that some did in fact report to authorities.

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ARC: why the contstant secrecy?

by SecretSlaveClass in

anyone watching the inquiry would have heard the org's attorney asking that the documents outlining the stucture and mechanics of the wbts be kept confidential.

all this subversive and clandestine behavior is not helping their image.

what do you all suppose is potentially damnimg in these documents?

Listener

It's possible that the latest version duscusses the new procedure about the funds a congregation should hold, direction on whether renovations should be done, amalgamation of congregations, deciding whether new halls should be built and so on.

It's possible it goes into much more detail and instruction than the letters that were sent out to the congregations. In those letters most of the information were for the elders only. The Branch instructions would have gone into a lot more detail and may be contained in the current document.

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The WTBTS has had insurance that possibly includes cover for Child Abuse since 1984

by Listener in

this is in a statement made by the australian branch committee member o'brien, the insurance is held by the wtbts pennsylvania.

no doubt the cost of that insurance would be astronomical the more claims they are making against it but it would greatly influence the way they deal with court cases and potential court cases, including settlement.

if they are covered for these claims then their concerns would be more about publicity than the amounts awarded or paid to the victim.. although o'brien states that the cover could possibly include any australian claims he would not have said so or even thought there was a need to reveal the information if the organization hadn't already made claims under their insurance.

Listener

This was also in the statement from O'Brien

<<No information relating to the incidence or prevalence of child sexual abuse in Australia,

including statistical information, is provided by either Watchtower Australia or the Branch

Office of Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia (Branch Office), which is located in Sydney, to the

Governing Body, Watch Tower Pennsylvania, or to any other entity outside Australia.>>

If Australia hasn't reported anything to 'entitles outside of Australia' and this would include Insurance Companies then it would indicate that this information isn't required by the Insurance Company. It is likely that the Insurance Company would base their premiums on 'Industry Norms' and claims already made by the Policy Holder..

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The WTBTS has had insurance that possibly includes cover for Child Abuse since 1984

by Listener in

this is in a statement made by the australian branch committee member o'brien, the insurance is held by the wtbts pennsylvania.

no doubt the cost of that insurance would be astronomical the more claims they are making against it but it would greatly influence the way they deal with court cases and potential court cases, including settlement.

if they are covered for these claims then their concerns would be more about publicity than the amounts awarded or paid to the victim.. although o'brien states that the cover could possibly include any australian claims he would not have said so or even thought there was a need to reveal the information if the organization hadn't already made claims under their insurance.

Listener

This is in a statement made by the Australian Branch Committee member O'Brien, the insurance is held by the WTBTS Pennsylvania. No doubt the cost of that insurance would be astronomical the more claims they are making against it but it would greatly influence the way they deal with Court cases and potential Court cases, including settlement. If they are covered for these claims then their concerns would be more about publicity than the amounts awarded or paid to the victim.

Although O'Brien states that the cover could possibly include any Australian claims he would not have said so or even thought there was a need to reveal the information if the organization hadn't already made claims under their insurance.

The following is in O'Briens Statement to the Royal Commission

I have made further inquiries with the

Legal Department of the World Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in New York since this is

not information which could be supplied by any member of the Governing Body. I have been

informed that although Watch Tower Pennsylvania has never had a claim for compensation

arising from an allegation of child sexual abuse in Australia, it possibly had liability insurance

coverage for such claims for the following years. The policies which may be relevant for the

those years are set out below:

Dates Insurance Company Policy Number

01.01.1984 - 01.01.1987 Insurance Company of North America 45HF 6670

01.01.1991- 01.01.1992 Insurance Company of the State of Pennsylvania 80-213218

(ICSP)

01.01.1992 - 01.01.1993 ICSP 80-213297

01.01.1993 - 01.01.1994 ICSP 80-213297

01.01.1995 - 01.01.1996 ICSP 80-213297

01.01.1996- 01.01.1997 Royal Indemnity Company (RIC) RIW 664751

01.10.1997 - 01.10.1998 RIC RIW 664751

01.10.1998 - 01.10.1999 RIC RIW 664751

01.10.1999 - 01.10.2000 ICSP 80-0264446

01.10.2000 - 01.10.2001 ICSP 80-0265738

STAT.0592.002.0002

Statement in the matter of Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia

Second Statement of Terrence John O'Brien Page 3 of 5

Dates Insurance Company Policy Number

01.10.2002 - 01.10.2003 ICSP 80-0266080

01.10.2003 - 01.10.2004 ICSP 80-0266080

01.11.2007 - 01.11.2008 ICSP 80-0268549

01.11.2008 - 01.11.2009 American Insurance Company (ACE) CXCD 37029749

01.11.2009 - 01.11.2010 ACE CXCD 37030600

01.11.2010 - 01.11.2011 ACE CXCD 37031367

01.11.2011- 01.11.2012 ACE CXCD 37032116

01.11.2012 - 01.11.2013 ACE CXCD 37032761

01.11.2013 - 01.11.2014 ACE CXCD 37033297

01.11.2014 - 01.11.2015 ACE CXCD 37033996 001

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Jwfacts tv appearance

by sparrowdown in

jw
friends

shout out to jwfacts.. just saw the drum.

excellent job !

!.

Listener

Thanks for the link Mephis.

Excellent job Paul, it's amazing how much information you conveyed in under 9 minutes.

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My thoughts on Geoffrey Jackson

by thedepressedsoul in

first off, i don't think that dude is going to show face.

he's most likely on a plane already.

if he shows it's bad pr and if he doesn't show it's bad pr.

Listener

It seemed to work that way. Most of the time the Elders pointed to the Branch Office as being the authority that they get their direction from. O'Brien who is from the Branch Committee tried to suggest that they had authority to work outside of the direction/procedures provided to them from the Headquarters.

I don't doubt that the direction they got from HQ regarding the RC was "Leave us out of it Brothers as best you can."

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My thoughts on Geoffrey Jackson

by thedepressedsoul in

first off, i don't think that dude is going to show face.

he's most likely on a plane already.

if he shows it's bad pr and if he doesn't show it's bad pr.

Listener

It would be helpful to the Commission if they understood that Geoffrey Jackson as a Governing Body member does not authorize policy and procedure and it is only when he and other Governing Body members unite together that this is done.

I bet the Governing Body are sorry now that they clarified the workings of the FDS only recently by making it clear that it is only the GB members working together that constitute the FDS whereas when they first introduced the new doctrine in 2013 they were not so clear.

Here is the latest clarity on the FDS from Watchtower 2015 3/15 pages 7 -11

<<6 Third, consider some of our recent refinements in understanding. For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. (Matt. 24:45-47) It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) What a delight it is to learn such truths and to teach them to new ones! In what other ways has Jehovah shown that he approves of teaching in a simple, clear way?>>

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015202?q=faithful+%26+discreet+slave+governing+body&p=par

It would be helpful for the Commission to understand the concept because if they ask Jackson a question regarding his authority he will answer that he has no authority, if they ask him whether the FDS does then he is more likely to give a much different answer.

For instance, they might ask him 'Do you have authority to make changes to the religions understanding of the two witness rule (or the composition of the JC etc.) He would answer No, he did not. If they were to ask him the same question but instead said "Does the Faithful Slave have the authority etc.

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The cruelty of shunning now being exposed rc

by poopie in

jw
friends

let justice roll forth.

Listener

Sabin, I agree with what you are saying but from a JW perspective they would not view the disfellowshipped person as a victim and even if they did they would consider that it was self inflicted. In the JW world, to think this way, that is, being a victim would be seen as a selfish and egotistical rather than mildly accepting the situation as a discipline. 'Shunning' is an action and it is what a JW does, it focuses more on their actions.

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If Jackson is not available due to compassionate reasons, can other GB member take his place?

by Viva la Vida in

jw
friends

i would think the only christian organization on this planet would be more than willingly send another gb member to australia in order to answer rcs questions, taking the place of jackson who is taking care of his ill farther.

.

if someone should show compassion to jackson those are his gb pals.

Listener

Viva La Vida, the Commission discussed the situation with the JW lawyer on Tuesday. They said that they were very interested in speaking to Geoffrey Jackson as they understood that his position as a Governing Body Member would help their inquiry. They also expressed their view that it would not necessarily have to be him but any Governing Body member. They were told that Geoffrey Jackson would not be of assistance as his position was in translation. They chose to ignore the Commission's request for assistance on a voluntary basis and even misled them.

The next day the Commission did not repeat their invitation and instead made the point that they had been misled in understanding just how much assistance Geoffrey Jackson could provide and advised they would be making a formal application that he appear.