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  Handing out candy

  by mikeypants in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  growing up my parents would barricade our home off by parking vehicles bumper to bumper - you would have to crawl under the cars or over the bumpers to get to our door.

  also, we would turn off all the lights and hide in the back room away from the street.. that was the norm for me.

  isnt that insane?

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  Fortunately for the JWs it is only one day a year they feel harassed on their own doorstep.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Eden - What you just did to me is the ultimate example of name-calling and derogatory remarks that I was talking about before that are unhealthy for this forum and are detrimental for people who come here in search of help. I think you should ask yourself if your drive for confrontation is welcome here. And Simon should ask himself if this continued type of behavior should be allowed to continue in this forum. Because if it is, then I will ask myself if I should continue to come here, for this is no better than the relentless bully witch-hunting that the JW Elders served me with until my JC.

  Unfortunately it stifles discussion and it has the potential of losing members here. Your posts show intelligence, are well thought out and allow for open discussion.

  It would be a real loss to lose you and ones like you.

  We have seen from the past that Simon considers these things seriously and has done well to maintain a welcoming forum. He shows a lot of patience and this might be to allow time for most of us to see that the poster has dug their own grave rather than him just taking a heavy hand even though his experience and intuition has taught him that there might be a problem.

  Vivean - So, post your proof, retract your comment and apologize or expect hell.

  That is some demand. Let's see that demand going through a court of law.

  
  Calling you a liar without foundation and for a trivial reason was uncalled for but threatening you by saying that you will have hell to pay if you continue your unprovoking comments is over the top.

  
  
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  ANNOUNCEMENT CLIP ...2015 Annual meeting Sam Herd confirming what we knew a month ago about slow down and halt of worldwide construction

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.

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  They are restructuring their whole operations.

  Prior to this latest reduction in the magazines they announced that it was with the hope that they could focus on more translations. They've been buying up smaller buildings around the world to serve as translation offices.

  They've already spent a lot of money in order to produce video presentations. They've had all KH's invest in screening equipment. They've said that they plan to produce movie video's, they paid $6 million for a dedicated studio not long ago.

  These are expenses they didn't have before and who knows what else they have planned. They've got to cut down on spending for things that aren't necessary to meet their new goals.

  They don't need to pay for pioneers, they've got plenty who will do it for free. The number of hours spent in the witnessing work has gone up far greater than their increase in publishers.

  They are cutting down on labour within the Bethel's for work that is unnecessary. They will probably only recruit for qualified individuals in the future.

  They see the need to become smarter with their money.
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  CO Comes Up With A New Way To Be Judgemental...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  at the latest co visit something very strange happened.

  during the meeting with the elders and servants he passed out a copy of a hypothetical publisher card and asked us what we could learn from it.

  upon receiving it i saw that the average hours were pretty good, it had return visits and quite a few bible studies.

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  Sounds like the CO is jealous of those with lots of bible studies.
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  Your thoughts on Halloween , yes, no or maybe ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well its that time again when the ghouls come out to play.

  i personally think halloween is a bit irresponsible and inappropriate from a sociological perspective.. there's something about the intent of frightening young impressionable children minds with frightening objests.

  and feeding them candy which most likely cause tooth decay and stomachs is irresponsible activity conducted by adults.

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  Here in Australia it's still not widely practiced but the supermarkets try to push it as hard as they can. Each year gets worse and worse with more and more themed products being put on the shelves for sale.

  Many of us see it as an American tradition and are happy for them to keep it.
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  ANNOUNCEMENT CLIP ...2015 Annual meeting Sam Herd confirming what we knew a month ago about slow down and halt of worldwide construction

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.

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  Billy - What can publishers think of this? "Oh good, WT isn't short on cash, and they're cutting expenses on the organization level. Now I don't have to feel obligated to keep donating as much as I have been. Why should I keep paying the same money now that I'm getting less magazines and all this cost-cutting? My family needs a vacation! That's where I'll earmark my money instead."

  I was thinking the same. That is what happens when you're not transparent. You would think that they learnt their lesson the first time when they announced that their loans were forgiven and many took that to mean they didn't need the money.

  Then they'll come out again and beg for money. The organization has always been full of mixed messages.
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  ANNOUNCEMENT CLIP ...2015 Annual meeting Sam Herd confirming what we knew a month ago about slow down and halt of worldwide construction

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.

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  He needed to read out from a script, word for word, just to make sure he got the spin conveyed correctly.
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  We love you---but we don't trust you!

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can you truly love someone if you dont fully trust them and you are not willing to confide in them?

  true love is a two way street right?

  i just listened to the 2015 agm broadcast.

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  Like little children the flock trust them regardless. As mature adults that is not the smart thing to do.

  Without being upfront about finances they do not deserve to be trusted because they cannot prove themselves worthy of it.

  Does God really expect us to have blind trust in an organization?
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  Update on Australian Royal Commission - Proposed Redress

  by Pants of Righteousness in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  apologies if this has been posted previously, but this news item has appeared today regarding the proposed redress for abuse victims following the australian royal commission:.

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-27/labor-pledges-payments-for-sex-abuse-survivors/6886864.

  what's interesting is that in january it was proposed that the federal government contribute almost half of an estimated $4.3 billion redress scheme.

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  It's a bit difficult for the Commission to come up with a plan for compensation. It's not just religions that they are looking into but many other organization's, most of them have limited finances and many of them would be seen to be providing services that would normally have to be provided by the Government if they didn't exist. There are many that the Government already provides funds to or give generous tax breaks just so they can exist. It is not in the Governments interest to see them go bankrupt. Most would never have envisaged this extra cost.

  We aren't necessarily talking about the crimes that had been committed by the organizations being investigated. The crimes have generally been committed by the abusers and will be dealt with separately. The problem is more one of negligence rather than a crime. This negligence isn't identified by Police but rather only when the party damaged begins a court process and it is determined by a Judge. It is not clear cut. It is going to be difficult to set the one dollar payment for redress when it is clear that one organization has been more negligent than another organization and the abuse incurred on one individual is very different to that of another individual. I don't know how they are going to do it if the Government doesn't make the payment. Maybe the best they could do is set up a legal bureau that becomes an intermediary between the victim and the organization to facilitate negotiations and recommendations.
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  I'm not religious I'm spiritual?

  by Joliette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how do you guys feel when you hear people say this?

  whenever i tell people that i'm not religious, a humanist, they said i'm not religious either, i'm spiritual.

  i consider myself to be a humanist, and i can't tell you guys how happy i am being a humanist.

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  Xanthippe, you explained spirituality well, that is what I think also but it does mean different things to different people. As for a purely religious person, a good example would be the Pharisees.