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Book Review: The Watchtower Society, Organizational Misbehavior

by johnny depp in

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this is the way crisis of conscience should have been written.

finally, a book written on the watchtower society by someone who actually knows how to write!

after reading the subheading, “the psychology of jehovah’s witnesses,” (pages 160–182), i have abandoned the belief that we have an “unconscious,” and will never again consult any psychologist, psychiatrist, or counselor.

Listener

I was going to ask Johnny Depp for a short extract from the book but I found this short review on another book by the same author (Gabriel Ibarra). The following post was written by Johnny Depp.

https://plus.google.com/110198060050282552268/posts

Hey, Do you guys think John Densmore (drummer of The Doors) will ever apologize to Gabriel H Ibarra for getting him fired?

According to Gabriel H Ibarra, in Jehovah’s Witnesses, What Lies Behind The Truth (pages 79-81), John Densmore falsely accused Gabriel of eating too many oranges, so that the contractor, Larry Babbitt, fired Gabriel for eating too many oranges.

What do you guys think? Should John Densmore apologize to Gabriel? Perhaps, compensate him?

Johnny says he's a friend of the author and would like people to help him out by buying his book. It's on Lulu, costing over $70.

What I'd really like to know - Is the author eating too many oranges and if so, has he thought of replacing them with orange juice?

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

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friends

i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

Listener

Blondie makes a great comment that there are other good books around and Sparrowdown suggests we should make a list of those books..

Personally I don't know of any books that are better than Coc but I haven't read any others either. We all have reasons why Coc was important to us, however we shouldn't have to rely on one book . It is also a book that is getting old, there is now a whole generation of younger ones and we also agree that this religion is evolving into something different.

We have a pretty good idea of copyright laws and how far we can go in quoting other people'sworks, including the Wtbts'.

Instead of worrying about the availability of Coc how about we do something really proactive? We could write a book as a collective effort.

We could begin it on here, using the likes and dislikes to gauge direction and working on it Chapter by Chapter. We can include topics that Ray didn't want to discuss, like the handling of child abuse. That is, of course, with Simon's pemission.

It would take some time but we have an abundance of resources including JW Facts, Wickepedia, Coc and this forum. There are enough people who are very conscious on ensuring we stick to facts and who understand the JW mentality. There will be no reason to sensationalise matters, especially if we were to establish what our focus should be. As a collective effort it would be much more easier to avoid being over emotive which was something Ray was able to achieve on his own.

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New Light: Clap when it is given a Reinstatement ad

by TheTruthBR in

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friends

a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.

january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .

: clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.

Listener

The Watchtower has 32 pages and the Questions from Readers is on the 32nd page.

Here's a link to Borean Pickets which discuses 2 letters that had been sent to the org. On the this issue.

http://meletivivlon.com/2012/10/20/should-we-applaud-a-reinstantement/

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Listener

A religion that is very similar to the JWs is Iglesia ni cristo however they actively help the poor and needy.

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When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.

by new boy in

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this is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".

yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.

besides we were never going to die anyway.

Listener

It's really creepy that they want ownership and rights over a persons dead body.

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The Deep Things of Jehovah(tm). What are they?

by punkofnice in

i just wondered.

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Listener

This is what they say the 'deep things' are these days - W 07 11/1

We should not think that “deep things” are necessarily difficult things. Knowledge of “the deep things of God” is obscured from most people...

Examples of Deep Things

Jesus is the primary part of the “seed” of God’s heavenly “woman” referred to at Genesis 3:15....12 A second example of deep things that have been revealed to us concerns God’s purpose to select 144,000 from among mankind. (Revelation 14:1, 4) We accept the teaching that all of the anointed ones living on earth at any given time constitute “the faithful and discreet slave” that Jesus said would provide timely “food” for his domestics.

Even the 'deep things' are subject to change.

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This idiot just embarrasses me.

by joe134cd in

yup a mentally diseased apostate.. http://youtu.be/e7qmypu7mxo.

Listener

Some people don't agree with his methods but he sure has the Elders annoyed.

Probably the best thing that he is achieving is making the Elders more conscious of their responsibilities when it comes to child abuse problems.

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Stupid Questions to Ask Gay Guys

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

my friend tells me he gets sick of silly questions.

i tell him its part of the assimilation process.

https://www.facebook.com/buzzfeedvideo/videos/1908211825986357/?fref=nf.

Listener

FTS, I think it's interesting that you point out that this gay couple sleep in the same bed but no one cares. The day that no one knows whether they sleep in the same bed or not is the day that no one really cares.

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Stupid Questions to Ask Gay Guys

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

my friend tells me he gets sick of silly questions.

i tell him its part of the assimilation process.

https://www.facebook.com/buzzfeedvideo/videos/1908211825986357/?fref=nf.

Listener

At least they are silly questions and not offensive questions.

For some people it might be part of an assimilation process, but it is likely to be for a variety of reasons.

Some people are curious, some might be trying to get to understand him a little better, some might think he's weird and are trying to affirm that in their own minds and some people might just be being rude.

He could ask them why they want to know and take it from there. What he sees as silly questions might not seem so silly to others.

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Brooklyn news on sending the elderly packing

by I am a Bible Student in

johnny the bethelite on this program talks about the older bethelites being targeted by watchtower.they are getting rid of those at bethel who are 65-87 years old, some being anointed even the widows of former governing body members who gave decades of loyal service time to the watchtower organization.. the reasons the very elderly are being expelled are money in that for their age range they cost so much to cloth, fed, and medicate, having problems from high blood pressure to dementia.

they include persons such as sister henschel whose husband had been a watchtower president and marian sydlik whose parents are long dead.. https://soundcloud.com/rick-fearon/jan-16-2016-johnny-the-bethelite-watchtower-insider-host-his-radio-program-from-brooklyn-ny .

Listener

There are the Jah Jireh homes operated for JWs and employing JWs.